CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Ah, sorry to hear that. As I said, I've enjoyed his work and it's sad to hear about another fan who actually produces something being screwed over by Alec (whatever happened).
I just finished catching up with his Kestrel Saga books and very much enjoyed them.
Agree
Come on, CBS time to shut this guy's operation down!
He's not helping the brand, he's shown himself to be incompetent in business matters and lacking in creativity. Why would they allow him to damage the brand by putting out inferior knock offs? I know a lot of people thought Prelude was great, but most of those creative people are gone.
Why let some amateur lay claim to an entire swath of Trek and set up multiple revenue streams? If there is so much interest in the Axanar story line, then let CBS tell it, not some random fanboy who has gotten a taste for Trek money and can't seem to let it go.
He's like a blood sucking tick on the butt of the buffalo. Time for some tweezers!
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It really is and unfortunatly the norm for Peters. It isn't a coincidence that pretty much nobody involved in Prelude is still involved with the production.
If you haven't seen them already, the TrekZone interviews with Christian Gossett are excellent. He pretty much sums up where it all went wrong and why (which helps one understand the current state of dysfunction)
Christian was doing nothing more then trying to help Alec make a good movie and for his effort he has gotten thrown under the bus and is the one Alec is trying to blame for forcing him into the studio deal. No good deed goes unpunished with Alec.
Still no donors above $150 (beyond the clapper). I suspect soon you will see a mystery donor donate a big amount like 5k or something. This will be an attempt by Alex to rally the donors. Otherwise, this will drag along at a minimal pace, and a few days before the end you will see an uptick in donations. That said it still won't be enough to reach 60k.
I disagree...partially.
It's true that CBS/P should take him down, but their best chance to do that was back when they were formulating the settlement, but they didn't do it then, and as long as he's careful
they won't have justification to do it now. Also, it's true that CBS/P should be the ones to tell the story, but the concept of the battle of Axanar has been around since James T brought it up in season three and CBS/P haven't seen fit to put it on the screen. It's unlikely that will change anytime soon.Where we really part company is the part about a "random fanboy" doing it. At this point, that's exactly who should be doing it: Any random fanboy that's not Alec Peters.
I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and I'm convinced the only way to sink this douche's sailboat is for somebody else - another fan - to tell the story of Garth of Izar at Axanar, and tell it big and loud and obvious, for the purpose of reminding him - and his acolytes - of the following:
1) He STILL don't own this stuff!
2)There are other ways to tell this story that don't require six or seven figures in fundraising.
He complains? Let him! As long as you don't use characters created solely for The Fan Film Which Will Never Be Made he's got Jack and Shit (both of them) to complain about.
This needs to happen. Personally I've been imagining doing it in a fan comic, and maybe that's not big and loud enough...but I say don't let me be the only one doing it. All us random fanboys should take a stand against douchebaggery.
That would be fantastic. Watch him go ballistic as someone puts out their own fanfilm Battle of Axanar ahead of him. As long as you avoid the parts he's made up, specific names or characters, not a thing he could do about it. And it would completely undercut him.
Not like you couldn't beat him to market at this rate. And do it for about 1.5M less...
Not like you couldn't beat him to market at this rate. And do it for about 1.5M less...
I'm waiting for the Industry Studios patch before donating.
I already put in for the Sashimi Tempura patch.
Dear people who may be considering whether or not to donate to the 'Support the Studio' IndieGoGo crowdfund going on at this time, please consider researching for accuracy the following statements made by the defendant in the production's website post, March 21, 2017, titled 'Support the Studio You Built!'
"When the CBS lawsuit hit, we had to shut down production on Axanar for the over 13 months till we settled."
While I do think shutting down the movie production during the litigation was a wise judgment call, no such shutdown was required by any Court decision. Nor was the separate studio, which was itself not in ligation, required to shut down for any reason.
At various times over the year of litigation the defendant announced to we donors that 'there is a group of fan investors who wish to remain anonymous who are reimbursing the donor funds used in the build out of the warehouse to make it a studio' and that this anonymous investor group was 'taking over the monthly rental & operation costs so our donor funds would not be spent there' and that 'the new holders of the studio would be renting out the studio to film productions to cover the operating costs.'
Please. Do consider researching the accuracy of the above statement made by the defendant. You can find everything needed for your research in various official production website posts.
Consider taking just a little bit of time to research this statement too.
"So ultimately the lawsuit cost donors over $ 200,000 in lost rent/utilities."
There were various postings over the year by the defendant announcing genre fan films were set to film in the studio while the production was in litigation.
The defendant also posted the 'investor group' was removing this burden; reimbursing the build out funds to the production, taking over responsibility for that $200,000 rent - which would have been a very good thing and a thing not in any way contingent on the lawsuit. The defendant had counseled with his legal team about this. They said no worries. The defendant announced it approved by the legal team and announced it had happened. Later postings from the defendant said the donor funds had run out and that he was spending his own money to cover the rent.
The studio itself was being actively and publicly advertised available for rent on its own website, Industry Studios. Advertising that Industry Studios is a great space for productions looking for a studio to rent. The monthly operation costs, that $200,000, would have also been covered were the public choosing to rent the studio. It was being offered for rent, advertised for rent, we donors were told the studio was now a rental studio.
Did any genre fan films ever rent the studio? Did any publicly advertised for small film productions, commercials, etc., ever rent the studio? They were wanted. They were courted. Did they come?
"And we don’t want to lose the almost $ 300,000 we have invested in this facility in improvements to make it a functioning sound stage.
I agree. Several times during the year of the lawsuit the defendant announced this was all being taken care of by the investor group; reimbursing that $300,000 build out cost, assuming management of the studio, assuming responsibility for $200,000 rent. We donors were not told this $300,000 reimbursement did not occur.
Just, please, do a tiny bit of research on the official production website and the official Industry Studios website and see what you think yourself.
"If the lawsuit had never be filed, Axanar would have been finished last year"
All I'm imploring you to do is just research the accuracy of these statements a little bit.
If everything you research is to your own satisfaction and you choose to donate to this current crowdfund, you will have made your own informed decision to do so.
Which I will fully support. Not that 'you' need my support for anything you choose to do in this matter. But I will anyway.
LL&P from this deep and true life long Star Trek fan to you.
"When the CBS lawsuit hit, we had to shut down production on Axanar for the over 13 months till we settled."
While I do think shutting down the movie production during the litigation was a wise judgment call, no such shutdown was required by any Court decision. Nor was the separate studio, which was itself not in ligation, required to shut down for any reason.
At various times over the year of litigation the defendant announced to we donors that 'there is a group of fan investors who wish to remain anonymous who are reimbursing the donor funds used in the build out of the warehouse to make it a studio' and that this anonymous investor group was 'taking over the monthly rental & operation costs so our donor funds would not be spent there' and that 'the new holders of the studio would be renting out the studio to film productions to cover the operating costs.'
Please. Do consider researching the accuracy of the above statement made by the defendant. You can find everything needed for your research in various official production website posts.
Consider taking just a little bit of time to research this statement too.
"So ultimately the lawsuit cost donors over $ 200,000 in lost rent/utilities."
There were various postings over the year by the defendant announcing genre fan films were set to film in the studio while the production was in litigation.
The defendant also posted the 'investor group' was removing this burden; reimbursing the build out funds to the production, taking over responsibility for that $200,000 rent - which would have been a very good thing and a thing not in any way contingent on the lawsuit. The defendant had counseled with his legal team about this. They said no worries. The defendant announced it approved by the legal team and announced it had happened. Later postings from the defendant said the donor funds had run out and that he was spending his own money to cover the rent.
The studio itself was being actively and publicly advertised available for rent on its own website, Industry Studios. Advertising that Industry Studios is a great space for productions looking for a studio to rent. The monthly operation costs, that $200,000, would have also been covered were the public choosing to rent the studio. It was being offered for rent, advertised for rent, we donors were told the studio was now a rental studio.
Did any genre fan films ever rent the studio? Did any publicly advertised for small film productions, commercials, etc., ever rent the studio? They were wanted. They were courted. Did they come?
"And we don’t want to lose the almost $ 300,000 we have invested in this facility in improvements to make it a functioning sound stage.
I agree. Several times during the year of the lawsuit the defendant announced this was all being taken care of by the investor group; reimbursing that $300,000 build out cost, assuming management of the studio, assuming responsibility for $200,000 rent. We donors were not told this $300,000 reimbursement did not occur.
Just, please, do a tiny bit of research on the official production website and the official Industry Studios website and see what you think yourself.
"If the lawsuit had never be filed, Axanar would have been finished last year"
All I'm imploring you to do is just research the accuracy of these statements a little bit.
If everything you research is to your own satisfaction and you choose to donate to this current crowdfund, you will have made your own informed decision to do so.
Which I will fully support. Not that 'you' need my support for anything you choose to do in this matter. But I will anyway.
LL&P from this deep and true life long Star Trek fan to you.
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That would have been a real nice trick since the production was almost out of money when the lawsuit was filed. He is so full of shit!
I seriously doubt any supporters are reading this thread. If they were, we'd have heard from them by now.Dear people who may be considering whether or not to donate to the 'Support the Studio' IndieGoGo crowdfund going on at this time, please consider researching for accuracy the following statements made by the defendant in the production's website post, March 21, 2017, named 'Support the Studio You Built!'
"When the CBS lawsuit hit, we had to shut down production on Axanar for the over 13 months till we settled."
While I do think shutting down the production during the litigation was a wise judgment call, no such shutdown of the production itself was required by any Court decision. Nor was the separate studio itself required to shut down.
At various times while over the year of litigation it was announced to we donors that 'there is a group of fan investors who wish to remain anonymous who are reimbursing the donor funds used in the build out of the warehouse to make it a studio' and that this anonymous investor group was 'taking over the monthly rental & operation costs so our donor funds would not be spent there' and that 'the new holders of the studio would be renting out the studio to film productions to cover the operating costs.'
Please. Do consider researching the accuracy of the above statement made by the defendant
If you will, please also consider researching the accuracy of this statement: "When the CBS lawsuit hit, we had to shut down production on Axanar for the over 13 months till we settled.". You can find everything needed for your research in various official production website posts.
Consider taking just a little bit of time to research this statement too.
"So ultimately the lawsuit cost donors over $ 200,000 in lost rent/utilities."
On the official production website the defendant announced the anonymous 'investor group' was taking on the studio and reimbursing the build out funds to the production - which would have been a very good thing and not contingent on the lawsuit. However, there is no known confirmation this announced process ever happened. And evidence it did not happen due to later postings from the defendant he was spending his own money to cover the rent after the donor funds ran out.
And at the same time studio itself was also being publicly advertised on its own website, Industry Studios, that it was available and a great space for productions looking for a studio to rent. The monthly operation costs, that $200,000, would have been covered were the public choosing to rent the studio. It was being offered for rent, advertised for rent, we donors were told the studio was now a rental studio. Was the studio successful in being rented out?
"And we don’t want to lose the almost $ 300,000 we have invested in this facility in improvements to make it a functioning sound stage.
I agree. At several points during the year of the lawsuit the defendant announced this was all taken care of by the anonymous investor group that was going to, then had taken over the sound stage. The $300,000 was to be reimbursed when taking over the studio for public rentals. The studio became an advertised public rental. We donors were not told this $300,000 reimbursement did not occur.
Just, please, do a tiny bit of research on the official production website and the official Industry Studios website and see what you think yourself.
"If the lawsuit had never be filed, Axanar would have been finished last year"
All I'm imploring you to do is just research the accuracy of these statements a little bit.
If everything you research is to your own satisfaction and you choose to donate to this current crowdfund, you will have made your own informed decision to do so.
Which I will fully support. Not that 'you' need my support for anything you choose to do in this matter. But I will anyway.
Are you cross-posting where it will be seen?
Huh uh. I really only post about thiswholething in this thread anymore. I do know first hand of four donor/supporters who follow this thread, so perhaps there could be a few more? And possibly another few looking around at information on thiswholething while thinking about donating?
Anyway, I'm hoping.....
Anyway, I'm hoping.....
They haven't even covered one month's rent yet and donations seem to be drying up quickly. Only 2 donations in last 24 hours. When backerkit updates projected numbers tonight it should drop BIG
It still boggles my mind why anyone would support a failing business that misspent so much money, made poor decisions at almost every turn, lied about the business at almost every turn and did not produce anything of the feature they promised. Not to mentioned alienated almost everyone he ever dealt with except a tragic few. Seriously, they leased a warehouse for THREE YEARS and filmed NOTHING there! Unless I'm missing something the plan now seems to be to just try to make rent until they move without "the greatest Star Trek Movie ever made" having one frame of footage filmed. Sure, that sounds like something I would put my hard earned money towards! Give me a break! WHO ARE THESE DONORS???
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