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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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He's focusing on Axanar outside of the IGG because it tends to confuse the donor base. "Hey, Alec's working on Axanar again" "Hey here's a fundraiser that mentions Axanar over and over and over. I'm gonna donate to help make Axanar!" Whoops
 
I might ave missed something, and if I ave and it was recently mentioned - my apologies (this is STILL a massive thread!) - but whats the beef with Steven Fender? Has he been added to the pile of people who've fallen out with Peters?
 
Just seems weird in the middle of an IGG campaign for the studio to say they are focused on Axanar.

Nothing wrong with that. It means some of us are watching the left hand, while some of us are watching the right hand to make sure nothing untoward is happening. See, that way, nothing hinky can happen!:whistle:

I predict the IGG will fail and be used as an excuse to delay making the movie...again.

On a more serious note, if the IGG doesn't reach target, he keeps what is pledged if no-one backs out, right? That's annoying! Cos what will whatever amount raised be frittered away on?
 
I might ave missed something, and if I ave and it was recently mentioned - my apologies (this is STILL a massive thread!) - but whats the beef with Steven Fender? Has he been added to the pile of people who've fallen out with Peters?
I don't know either. And I'm curious so I'll wait with you for someone to elaborate on this.
 
I might ave missed something, and if I ave and it was recently mentioned - my apologies (this is STILL a massive thread!) - but whats the beef with Steven Fender? Has he been added to the pile of people who've fallen out with Peters?
I'm thinking it's the (ever-growing) pile of people who are in the process of falling out with Peters.

Oh, and here's an open letter:

Dear Axanar folks,

Criticism comes with making art. It is what happens to every artist, every single day of his or her life. It's not for the timid or the emotionally fragile. Everybody dislikes something in the art world. There are people who dislike the Mona Lisa, Harry Potter, and, yes, Star Trek.

Me? I'm not a Stephen King fan. I doubt Mr. King cares too much about my opinion other than that he would like to perhaps make another sale (Mr. King, my husband more than makes up for me. kthxbai). But he certainly knows that not everyone will love what he does and I have no doubt that he is okay with it.

Me? I am nowhere near as successful as he is. Yet I, too, live with people not loving what I write. Hey, rip it apart. Go fer it, if you so desire. Now, I won't pretend that I'm made of stone. But at the same time, eh, that's life. The world does not spinning just because - ooh, ahh - I got a bad review. Shrug. I move on. I write more. Whatevz.

Criticism happens the minute you share your work with others. Don't want to be criticized? Then stick your work in a drawer and show it to no one.

These are your two choices: either have no audience or live with the fact that your audience isn't 100% composed of people who adore you. At least, that's what happens when you actually, you know, don't delete the stuff you don't like. But that doesn't get rid of critics; it just moves them to another venue. And that deleting is a childish behavior at best and it's certainly disingenuous. Deal with it. Critics go hand in hand with creators, and they have since time immemorial. Yet Michelangelo and Bette Davis and AA Milne and Roy Lichtenstein still exist, and they still made art. They didn't let critics get them down. They just made more art.

They chose to have an audience. You choose to have an echo chamber.
 
I'm thinking it's the (ever-growing) pile of people who are in the process of falling out with Peters.

Oh, and here's an open letter:

Dear Axanar folks,

Criticism comes with making art. It is what happens to every artist, every single day of his or her life. It's not for the timid or the emotionally fragile. Everybody dislikes something in the art world. There are people who dislike the Mona Lisa, Harry Potter, and, yes, Star Trek.

Me? I'm not a Stephen King fan. I doubt Mr. King cares too much about my opinion other than that he would like to perhaps make another sale (Mr. King, my husband more than makes up for me. kthxbai). But he certainly knows that not everyone will love what he does and I have no doubt that he is okay with it.

Me? I am nowhere near as successful as he is. Yet I, too, live with people not loving what I write. Hey, rip it apart. Go fer it, if you so desire. Now, I won't pretend that I'm made of stone. But at the same time, eh, that's life. The world does not spinning just because - ooh, ahh - I got a bad review. Shrug. I move on. I write more. Whatevz.

Criticism happens the minute you share your work with others. Don't want to be criticized? Then stick your work in a drawer and show it to no one.

These are your two choices: either have no audience or live with the fact that your audience isn't 100% composed of people who adore you. At least, that's what happens when you actually, you know, don't delete the stuff you don't like. But that doesn't get rid of critics; it just moves them to another venue. And that deleting is a childish behavior at best and it's certainly disingenuous. Deal with it. Critics go hand in hand with creators, and they have since time immemorial. Yet Michelangelo and Bette Davis and AA Milne and Roy Lichtenstein still exist, and they still made art. They didn't let critics get them down. They just made more art.

They chose to have an audience. You choose to have an echo chamber.
All true. The problem is he's not actually an artist. He uses artists and treats their art like an ATM. From that outlook the echo chamber is more useful to him. Those listening for the echoes stay loyal and the echoes jam all negative responses.
 
All true. The problem is he's not actually an artist. He uses artists and treats their art like an ATM. From that outlook the echo chamber is more useful to him. Those listening for the echoes stay loyal and the echoes jam all negative responses.
Oh, he's definitely not an artist - just clothing himself in those robes.
 
Oh, he's definitely not an artist - just clothing himself in those robes.

He did create PropWorx and notwithstanding it got bent by that fake shipping partner about which I read claims he created and then blamed for high prices, then by bankrupting against MGM for no obvious reason, one can see that he did make a nice archival website and did sell through a lot of props and costumes over a period of years. One shouldn't take that away from him and his staff, I think.

All this Axanar stuff, however, is really Wil E. Coyote pedaling air since forever, with the Acme dynamite case falling on others meantime.
 
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A person by the name of Sandy Greenburg just donated $10.

Isn't Sandy Greenburg the name of a donor who was banned by Terry McIntosh or the defendant for asking questions about the production? I think she? he? wrote an article or something about it?
 
Stephen Fender wrote some Trek Fan Fic also based on the four years war from FASA. Obviously due to the crossover he ended up in touch with Alec (I have no idea of the details) and even updated his fourth book in the series to feature the Ares.

He came under criticism for running his own campaigns to get his books properly edited and printed for backers. I forget the details although I remember Axanar throwing some publicity his way at least. He also put the books on his website for free download. He later took part in Alec's Four Years War documentary now being advertised as part of the current Indiegogo.

After the criticism over the crowd funding and links to Axanar, and with the lawsuit kicking off he backed away from the whole thing and is now focusing on his own "Beta Sector" books. A wise move I think and it's interesting he's now distancing himself from Alec as well.

Full disclaimer I've been a backer of Stephen's and have enjoyed his Trek stuff and his Beta Sector books. I think he's been very wise to get away from the Trek stuff though. In his defence I never had any issues with him, and I always got what I was promised from his campaigns. But he's much smarter focusing on his own universe.
 
Stephen Fender wrote some Trek Fan Fic also based on the four years war from FASA. Obviously due to the crossover he ended up in touch with Alec (I have no idea of the details) and even updated his fourth book in the series to feature the Ares.

He came under criticism for running his own campaigns to get his books properly edited and printed for backers. I forget the details although I remember Axanar throwing some publicity his way at least. He also put the books on his website for free download. He later took part in Alec's Four Years War documentary now being advertised as part of the current Indiegogo.

After the criticism over the crowd funding and links to Axanar, and with the lawsuit kicking off he backed away from the whole thing and is now focusing on his own "Beta Sector" books. A wise move I think and it's interesting he's now distancing himself from Alec as well.

Full disclaimer I've been a backer of Stephen's and have enjoyed his Trek stuff and his Beta Sector books. I think he's been very wise to get away from the Trek stuff though. In his defence I never had any issues with him, and I always got what I was promised from his campaigns. But he's much smarter focusing on his own universe.

Given Fender's "Four Years War" fan fic, I'm assuming Alec found him the same way he found me
(I have a blog where I do up PDF data sheets in the style of Ships of the Star Fleet - at the time LFIM reached out, I had written some stuff on an obscure TOS class that I tied into my own vision of the 4YW - here's a link if you're curious).

At one time, we were both associated with LFIM's effort to create a "Ships of Axanar" book in the SoTSF mold and even though ideas and concept stuff was bandied about for a bit, things were incredibly disorganized, there was no leadership and after a while, people just went their own ways (which is when I assume he went to work on his own Four Years War/Romulan War Tech Manual - check this link)
 
Stephen Fender wrote some Trek Fan Fic also based on the four years war from FASA. Obviously due to the crossover he ended up in touch with Alec (I have no idea of the details) and even updated his fourth book in the series to feature the Ares.

He came under criticism for running his own campaigns to get his books properly edited and printed for backers. I forget the details although I remember Axanar throwing some publicity his way at least. He also put the books on his website for free download. He later took part in Alec's Four Years War documentary now being advertised as part of the current Indiegogo.

After the criticism over the crowd funding and links to Axanar, and with the lawsuit kicking off he backed away from the whole thing and is now focusing on his own "Beta Sector" books. A wise move I think and it's interesting he's now distancing himself from Alec as well.

Full disclaimer I've been a backer of Stephen's and have enjoyed his Trek stuff and his Beta Sector books. I think he's been very wise to get away from the Trek stuff though. In his defence I never had any issues with him, and I always got what I was promised from his campaigns. But he's much smarter focusing on his own universe.

Aha! Thank you for that! I remember that all happening, I just didn't remember his name. now the dots are fully connected :)
 
After the criticism over the crowd funding and links to Axanar, and with the lawsuit kicking off he backed away from the whole thing and is now focusing on his own "Beta Sector" books. A wise move I think and it's interesting he's now distancing himself from Alec as well.

Full disclaimer I've been a backer of Stephen's and have enjoyed his Trek stuff and his Beta Sector books. I think he's been very wise to get away from the Trek stuff though. In his defence I never had any issues with him, and I always got what I was promised from his campaigns. But he's much smarter focusing on his own universe.

There is more to his distancing himself from Alec but not my story to tell. He got done very wrong by Alec.

I do agree thougt that especially after the lawsuit and everything he is best off sticking to his own universe. Less controversy that way.
 
Given Fender's "Four Years War" fan fic, I'm assuming Alec found him the same way he found me
(I have a blog where I do up PDF data sheets in the style of Ships of the Star Fleet - at the time LFIM reached out, I had written some stuff on an obscure TOS class that I tied into my own vision of the 4YW - here's a link if you're curious).

At one time, we were both associated with LFIM's effort to create a "Ships of Axanar" book in the SoTSF mold and even though ideas and concept stuff was bandied about for a bit, things were incredibly disorganized, there was no leadership and after a while, people just went their own ways (which is when I assume he went to work on his own Four Years War/Romulan War Tech Manual - check this link)

That just comes abck to the big thing and we've seen it the last few days in some of Alec's updates where he talks about the "Axanar Universe". He somehow seems to think he has taken ownership of the section of Star Trek called Axanar and it is now his universe to do what he wants in it fro m the movies to books to models to "Ships of Axanar". When in reality it is still part of CBS/P Star Trek universe but he somehow sees it as his.
 
That just comes abck to the big thing and we've seen it the last few days in some of Alec's updates where he talks about the "Axanar Universe". He somehow seems to think he has taken ownership of the section of Star Trek called Axanar and it is now his universe to do what he wants in it fro m the movies to books to models to "Ships of Axanar". When in reality it is still part of CBS/P Star Trek universe but he somehow sees it as his.

His cognitive dissonance knows no bounds.
 
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