What I don't understand about the show being a reboot.

[Jayson1]

I think it;s clear from that one photo that this new show basically is going to be a reboot. I don't mind that myself as long as it's good. What I don't get is the need to lie about or use established canon from the prime universe. One advantage in doing a reboot I thought would be having the ability to do whatever you want , even if it conflicts with canon. Say what you will about the Kelvin universe but they did get some use out of a alternate timeline, such as destroying vulcan or changing the way people were introduced to Khan.

The lie I think is what I think bothers me. It makes me feel like there trying to trick us into thinking the show is something it isn't going to be. They want hardcore fans instantly give the show a pass just because it's canon even if it really isn't canon. They don't trust us to judge the show on it;s own merrits and that bothers me. Maybe it shouldn't but it does.

Jason

 

[cultcross]

This thread's OP covers what was actually said - in short, a full redesign was on the cards from day one. Nobody said otherwise. "Prime" meant "not Kelvin" for the purposes of Discovery's continuity.

 

[donners22]

Which one photo? If it's the "Klingon" one, it's not even confirmed that they are Klingons. That was just speculation from the extra who posted the photo.

As for expecting hardcore fans to give it a pass because it's canon, the history of other series - particularly Voyager and Enterprise - would make it very unlikely that anyone would hold that expectation.

 

[Jayson1]

The thing though is i'm not sure what continuity means in this context. Especially since it is in a time period we have little known continuity to deal with to begin with. Does these changes to the klingons also represent a change in their personality and backstory as well. Will things like honor and Kahless and things like that still be apart of who they are or are they going to basically be a brand new species. If your going to change things why not go all the way and change alot of things so you can basically do whatever you want with the series.

Jason

 

[somebuddyX]

Sometimes going too far from the source can be off putting. They probably just want to stay true to the ideals of Trek without worrying about the baggage, at least for the moment. I've been hoping it'll be like the 2005 revival of Doctor Who, in that stuff happened in the past but they're concentrating on the story they want to tell.

 

[Seven of Five]

I'd like to know more about the setting as well, but it doesn't really matter as long as it's well done. A reboot essentially will do the creative types a favour as they won't be so tangled with the history of the shows and films. Just stay true to what made the series good and they'll be fine.

I have to admit that my enthusiasm as waned a little with the two delays and the loss of an Executive Producer that I was looking forward to seeing at work in the franchise. But again I imagine as soon as we hear something more substantial I'll be lapping it up.

 

[The Wormhole]

Does these changes to the klingons also represent a change in their personality and backstory as well. Will things like honor and Kahless and things like that still be apart of who they are or are they going to basically be a brand new species.

Klingons in TOS weren't really into honour and Kahless wasn't even introduced until the third-to-last episode of TOS. And even after that, there's only one mention of him on TNG prior to seeing his clone in Rightful Heir, and even then the name was pronounced wrong.

 

[Jayson1]

I agree but I do think the changes that did happen have basically become the core identity to what we expect Klingons to be like, to a point were the Klingons on TOS no longer feel like real Klingon. Also it doesn't help that we only got two really good TOS Klingons in Kor and Kang and even they were eventually blended into the new look and feel of the Klingons.

On the other hand we have had two Klingon regulars and ample number of popular supporting Klingons from the new aproach that has left more of a mark on Trek.

Jason

 

[Tesophius]

I think it's possible to make a good show in any "universe" but the fact that they're hinting that this is going to be set in the "canon" version of events is not a good sign, it suggests to me that they're going to play it safe and not going to introduce any visionary new ideas.

 

[Mudd]

The TOS Klingons feel like "real Klingons" to me, since I was watching them for twenty years before TNG got off the ground.

 

[Tesophius]

The only Klingons that feel real to me:

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Makes me want to rewatch the movie!

 

[Jayson1]

Not necessary. Even if it is canon they have already did take a few bold steps. A season long arc,a gay character a show were the captain isn't the lead. Plus by having the show on CBS access I can't help but think that gives them the chance to be more bold than if they were just on CBS.

Jason

 

[Jayson1]

The TOS Klingons feel like "real Klingons" to me, since I was watching them for twenty years before TNG got off the ground.

I know but I think most fans feel different. Also it's not like people see these old TOS Klingons as bad just kind of dated but not dated in way they are boring to watch because the actors did such a great job in those roles.

Jason

 

[Tesophius]

Not necessary. Even if it is canon they have already did take a few bold steps. A season long arc,a gay character a show were the captain isn't the lead. Plus by having the show on CBS access I can't help but think that gives them the chance to be more bold than if they were just on CBS.

Jason

The long arc thing makes it a hit or a miss show, definitely not a good thing.

 

[Jayson1]

The long arc thing makes it a hit or a miss show, definitely not a good thing.

In this day and age i'm not even sure if it's possible to do standalone stories anymore, at least not like they use to do them. I do think you could bring back a anthology series. Something like Fargo or better yet "American Horror Story" were you can even reuse the same actors in different roles. I think both would make for a intresting series.

Jason

 

[Tesophius]

In this day and age i'm not even sure if it's possible to do standalone stories anymore, at least not like they use to do them. I do think you could bring back a anthology series. Something like Fargo or better yet "American Horror Story" were you can even reuse the same actors in different roles. I think both would make for a intresting series.

Jason

Why is not possible to make stand alone stories anymore?

 

[Mudd]

In this day and age i'm not even sure if it's possible to do standalone stories anymore, at least not like they use to do them.

Of course you're right.

Take an episode like "This Side Of Paradise" - modern audiences would want to know why the spores were never mentioned or used again when crippling or life-threatening injuries and illnesses were sustained by crew members.*


*Hint: modern medicine makes continual controlled use of substances far more physically and socially dangerous than "oh, this stuff will make you feel real good but there's an easy antidote."

 

[The Wormhole]

Why is not possible to make stand alone stories anymore?

It's not the world we live in. Even children's shows are arc based.

 

[Tuskin38]

Before Season 4 of Enterprise explained it, I always saw the TMP+ Klingons as they were, a better budget version. They were always the same. In my mind TOS Klingons had ridges, we just didn't see them.

 

[Jayson1]

Why is not possible to make stand alone stories anymore?

I think it's because stand alone stories can sometimes feel irrelevent. If you do a story that has no lasting impact then it makes people feel like it's kind of pointless. Plus stand alone stories bring in the dreaded reset button. It can hurt a show if you feel like you got to wrap everthing up in a bow in 45 minutes. I will say that "Discovery: would have one advantage that Berman shows didn't and that would be longer run time for a episode, since you would have to edit things down to fit into a hour long tv slot. This would allow you to get more character stuff in a ep instead of constantly writing towards tv breaks and making sure all the plot threads are connected. Not sure if that is enough though to do a stand alone series.
Jason