What I don't understand about the show being a reboot.
- Thread starter Jayson1
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> fans
> canon
> what I want
It doesn't matter. Shows don't become successful because they are canon, or fans designed them, or it is what you wanted. They are successful because they're done right.
Take TNG for example, it wasn't good because it didn't have those flaws. It was a disaster both in being canon, or what fans of TOS would have designed, but it was fun.
> canon
> what I want
It doesn't matter. Shows don't become successful because they are canon, or fans designed them, or it is what you wanted. They are successful because they're done right.
Take TNG for example, it wasn't good because it didn't have those flaws. It was a disaster both in being canon, or what fans of TOS would have designed, but it was fun.
I agree to point. I don't know who once said it but it's't something like "fans don't know what they want until they get it." I do think though there are some changes that are harder sales than others. I think the klingons might be one of them. It's almost like doing the vulcans and not giving them pointy ears. Sets and uniforms are easy things to change. continuty is also alot easier than I think some people might think because fans are conditioned to find ways to make those changes somehow fit with what was established before. I am not sure though when your dealing with a core species on the level of the klingons. If they act like klingons then that would help alot but who knows how they will be written.
Jason
Trek has been rebooted to a greater or lesser extend five times. TMP, TWOK, TNG, JJTrek and ENT all changed the look, feel, effects, style, and direction of the franchise, and the latter two messed with established continuity too. It's really not that new an idea. The only difference here is that this show will sit in a timeline between two existing shows, which is new.
In my mind, canon is another word for continuity. My original understanding was that Discovery was going to be part of the "Prime" continuity. Meaning, Klingons that are Klingons, Romulans that are Romulans, Constitution-class starships go exploring on five year missions, etc. The design of the uniforms may look different, the technology may look more advanced, but it's the same Star Trek we all know and love.
NuTrek is set in a different continuity where Vulcan is destroyed, the backstories of major characters are very different, the rules of warp travel and transporters are very different, etc. That's fine. I understand why they did what they did. It's a completely different canon; there are characters that coincidentally have the same name as characters we've known since the 60's, but are very different from the previously established characters. In a movie format where you have two hours to tell a complete story, I can see some advantages to using the names of well known characters and then designing completely new people to use those names.
It now sounds to me like Discovery will be set in a third continuity. One where Klingons aren't actually the Klingons established in Prime, but a different alien race that just happens to be called a familiar name, and the backstory of the Federation is unlike the backstory previously established, and so on. Why do a third continuity? There were two to choose from, but neither was good enough? This keeps taking me back to my original question of why they're even doing a historical Trek instead of one that pushes further into the future. Why look backwards instead of the future?
NuTrek is set in a different continuity where Vulcan is destroyed, the backstories of major characters are very different, the rules of warp travel and transporters are very different, etc. That's fine. I understand why they did what they did. It's a completely different canon; there are characters that coincidentally have the same name as characters we've known since the 60's, but are very different from the previously established characters. In a movie format where you have two hours to tell a complete story, I can see some advantages to using the names of well known characters and then designing completely new people to use those names.
It now sounds to me like Discovery will be set in a third continuity. One where Klingons aren't actually the Klingons established in Prime, but a different alien race that just happens to be called a familiar name, and the backstory of the Federation is unlike the backstory previously established, and so on. Why do a third continuity? There were two to choose from, but neither was good enough? This keeps taking me back to my original question of why they're even doing a historical Trek instead of one that pushes further into the future. Why look backwards instead of the future?
Why not?
It's too early to be sure, but it seems to me that Discovery is based on the TOS timeline (in the way that Smallville basically transplants the first 30 minutes of Superman: The Movie to the 2000's and pads it out to 10 years) rather than truly being a part of it.
I don't think it sounds like that all, because we have no plot details yet, so it sounds like nothing.
Well it's not. A canon is a body of fictional works considered 'official' or genuine. Continuity is whether the material is internally consistent with itself. Two very different concepts. Continuity errors abound in the Star Trek canon, from the miniscule (wasn't he wearing a different shirt when he went into the lift?) to the middling (I never forget a face, and where is the Borg baby?) to the enormous (Those are Klingons?) but it doesn't make those works any less part of the canon. On the flip side, many of the novels are internally consistent and interwoven with detailed continuity, but are not canon.
Warp drive wasn't "given to us" by the Vulcans. Zefrem Cochrane developed it for humans, independent of the Vulcans.
Sorry, I posted this in the wrong thread, it was meant for the "what's in your head canon" thread.
No it wasn't!
And that era was definitely more interesting than whatever happened before TOS.
I've called it a 'soft reboot'. It will be set in the Prime universe and will be part of the existing canon, but it will feature updated looks and technology because we can do and make things now that we simply couldn't before. Fuller always said they would 'reimagine existing aliens' so I don't think that should surprise anyone...
I always thought it would be neat to do a limited anthology Trek with different famous directors- what would scorcesse's take on Trek look like? Spielberg's? DePalma's? Etc
Same here
