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"In the FNP, you can sail a planets seas.
In the FNP, counsellor will put your mind at ease."
With heartfelt apologies to all.......................I just couldn't resist it!!!!
Starfleet is a Space Navy (military fleet)
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"In the FNP, you can sail a planets seas.
In the FNP, counsellor will put your mind at ease."
With heartfelt apologies to all.......................I just couldn't resist it!!!!
Try harder.
At least do the whole song. 
Especially like the episodes where they "explore" the holosuites.
The Corbomite Maneuver, we saw the Enterprise's crew engaged in repeated battle drills.
When have we seen a Starfleet officer in a romantic or sexual relationship with a Starfleet enlisted?Those are not ranks, they are job descriptions.Cruise ship have holding cells, not brigs, and in the article you linked to, it said this; "If you've done something illegal, you can expect to be turned over to local law enforcement." Starfleet has it's own internal military justice and prison system.Iron Eagle was a awesome movie ... the sequel was terrible.From the TAS episode The Ambergris Element, we learn that the Enterprise does carry boats.
Almost every Holosuite episode in Ds9 is related to the other ongoing pieces, or relates to some other aspect of the the ongoing narratives...our man Bashir is a fun runaround, but also a character piece for Bashir and Garak, which ties into the ongoing 'learning about the culture' for the cardassians and to an extent Bajor. Where wasn't the runabout coming back from? Are there other scenes in that episode? Just picking an example that on the surface isn't to do with the whole ongoing stuff, but ultimately is.
Voyager is one hundred percent not to do with the military, by definition, however, depending on your take on the original mission you can flip it a bit. Once we are in the Delta Quadrant, it's by definition mostly exploration...it's taken hours to post this cos of typing bug so am gonna quit while I am ahead. Remember the opening narration.
So...Tuvok, Chakotay and Paris are in a tribute band? Who would be the fourth?
And "Coming of Age" is a terrible, terrible episode. What is your point? It's OK to use a kid stealing a shuttle as evidence Starfleet is paramilitary, but it's not OK to use "Iron Eagle" to counteract your point? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If a kid stealing hardware is a sign an organization is paramilitary and not military, then the Air Force is a paramilitary organization and not military.
It might be of interest that in the US, The Constitution doesn't require a standing army, only a standing navy. The founders saw it as essential to protect the function of commerce, maintain prices, protect from piracy, et cetera. The Navy is tasked with exploration, charting new trade routes, and settling foreign disputes. When an aircraft carrier is sent to an area where conflict is arising, it's presence can sometimes be enough. In the U.S. Navy, these are called "away teams." When the Enterprise D is sent to settle a dispute, they are projecting power. Like Dad coming home to settle a conflict between two warring siblings.
In Wartime, Navies organize into fleets of extremely powerful, high tech defense forces. They will battle with other navies, attack land based installations from a distance, and bring ground troops on transports.
I suppose an army is only needed when your adversaries have one, and the threat of war exists. It seems the Federation has finally learned how to expand as a benign empire without falling into the trap of a constant expansion of State Power over its citizenry. The Federation lasts for at least a thousand years. I wonder what it would look like in the far future.
In Wartime, Navies organize into fleets of extremely powerful, high tech defense forces. They will battle with other navies, attack land based installations from a distance, and bring ground troops on transports.
I suppose an army is only needed when your adversaries have one, and the threat of war exists. It seems the Federation has finally learned how to expand as a benign empire without falling into the trap of a constant expansion of State Power over its citizenry. The Federation lasts for at least a thousand years. I wonder what it would look like in the far future.
I was only talking about why the police and the military should not be the same. Starfleet also track down criminals etc....it's not a useful metric.
That is one of the interesting things about the Federation. No need for trade...no need for resources..why does it expand? And gunboat diplomacy often avoided.
Presumably to turn them over to Federation Security or Starfleet Security, i.e. the police force equivalent of the UFP.
I think the main problem with this topic is that it too often tries to make Starfleet fit some kind of 20th or 21st Century definition, and that's just not possible. Starfleet is a unique organization that is not a direct descendant of any contemporary military or civilian agency. Trying to shoe-horn it into being U.S. Navy in space is just lazy, frankly. Starfleet is just Starfleet.
No need for resources? Isn't the Federation some kind of resource based utopia? Surely there is commerce/trade. Sisko's girlfriend is a freighter captain. As for money, that's a different thread, but there is money sometimes. Sisko pays quark 5 Bars of GPL as a bribe to not press charges against that forger who stabbed him. What is gunboat diplomacy?
So, free trade?
It's okay. Likely, the confusion comes from the fact that the USCG, at the times of war, is put under the command of the U.S. Navy. However, even at the times of peace, it's still a military service.
Yes, that is an outdated definition. In modern usage, navy used alone always denotes a military fleet. Even the U.S. Navy's official website uses the .mil extension, which stands for military. Star Trek is supposed to take place in the "future" of a fictional universe.
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I was quite tempted by the mention of Oceanography in the lyrics, but both ran out of lunchtime and didnt want to get barred from here!! But given that, maybe FNP is solely an exploratory arm of the Federation and (just like Starfleet ??) not even slightly millitary?At least do the whole song.
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Gowron would be good as the biker dude. Then again any Klingon would, and without needing to change costume!!
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