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The X-Men Cinematic Universe (General Discussion)

Logan is the best X-Movie there is. (Because opinion = facts... Yeah, it actually is). But what do I know? I'm just sitting here eating my Corn flakes, watching, waiting.

Yeah, because I totally stated my opinions were facts, and didn't say about a million times that my opinion is my opinion, and its as valid as anyone's but that doesn't mean anyone else has to agree :rolleyes: You can believe what you want. Some people think that TDK is the best Batman movie, or that MoS is the best Superman movie. I disagree, but they can hold whatever opinion they want. Same goes with Logan. You can think its the best, I can think its the worst. I don't have a problem with that, but some people seem to.
 
Can we get back to nitpicking inconsistent easter eggs? That was way less tedious and futile. ;)



Actually, with just two clicks you literally can ignore him indefinitely.
I thought about it, but I don't like the idea of knowing I'm missing things that are being said.
 
I thought about it, but I don't like the idea of knowing I'm missing things that are being said.
If you're that concerned, there's a "show ignored content" toggle at the bottom of the screen if you feel you're missing some context. Personally I've never been really tempted to use it.
I mean how many times have I correctly guessed who you're all arguing in circles with just by reading your half of the conversation and was I really missing out of anything worth reading? ;)
 
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I like how no one brings up that I'm rarely the person that starts the argument, or continues it :vulcan: Its people who can't deal with other opinions that do that. 90% of the time I just plan to state my opinion and leave it at that. Its not my fault some people need their opinion to be the opinion. My problem is that I can't just not respond to people who respond to my posts. I'd probably have a less stressful time if I could do that.

But, no, its all my fault that people start arguments with me, and I should just give in whenever my opinion doesn't match so no ones feathers get ruffled. If I was the kind of person who ignored people who didn't agree with me at one time or another, I don't know who I wouldn't have on ignore :lol:

Anyway, on the topic of the theread, we have a bit more scraps of stuff about Gifted.

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/03/16/casting-call-reveals-x-men-tv-details/

Its not much, and they make some unlikely theories in that article, but its interesting. Warpath would be an interesting character to see, but we did see him in the bad future of DOFP so I doubt they'd use him (they could use Thunderbird, though).
 
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Yeah, because I totally stated my opinions were facts, and didn't say about a million times that my opinion is my opinion, and its as valid as anyone's but that doesn't mean anyone else has to agree :rolleyes: You can believe what you want. Some people think that TDK is the best Batman movie, or that MoS is the best Superman movie. I disagree, but they can hold whatever opinion they want. Same goes with Logan. You can think its the best, I can think its the worst. I don't have a problem with that, but some people seem to.

The difference is those people have actually seen the movie.
 
The difference is those people have actually seen the movie.

Which isn't relevant to anything I've talked about, unless (again) a dozen places all separately made up the same fake spoilers. Otherwise, seeing what I already know happened doesn't matter. There is no way it could be filmed that I wouldn't hate it. The movie is out and every single story thing is available to read about and dissect. Seeing it in motion is unneeded. No amount of acting or cinematography will change anything, so there is no benefit to seeing the movie when it comes to talking about the specific things I hate.
 
I disagree with that assertion. You don't know how what you read is going to be acted by all involved. Even the music can turn something into a home run.

As a longtime James Bond fan, I routinely gobbled up all the spoilers I could before release. I knew in my head how the movie played out before I even saw one second of footage. And yet when I finally sat down and watched the movie my knowledge of what would happen could no compare to how it played when you factored in music, acting, cinematography... hell, anything that has to do with a motion picture.

So I guess what my point is, is that sure, you can say you think you'll dislike the movie based on what you read. But to outright form an opinion on it as if you have seen the movie, is a bit unfair.
 
Which isn't relevant to anything I've talked about, unless (again) a dozen places all separately made up the same fake spoilers. Otherwise, seeing what I already know happened doesn't matter. There is no way it could be filmed that I wouldn't hate it. The movie is out and every single story thing is available to read about and dissect. Seeing it in motion is unneeded. No amount of acting or cinematography will change anything, so there is no benefit to seeing the movie when it comes to talking about the specific things I hate.
But even if the stuff you've read is accurate, you don't always get all of the details and context in summaries.
I like how no one brings up that I'm rarely the person that starts the argument, or continues it :vulcan: Its people who can't deal with other opinions that do that. 90% of the time I just plan to state my opinion and leave it at that. Its not my fault some people need their opinion to be the opinion. My problem is that I can't just not respond to people who respond to my posts. I'd probably have a less stressful time if I could do that.
I'm just going to lay this out here matter of factly. The reason you bug me so much, is not the fact that you have different opinions, it's the way you present them as absolute fact and then throw a shit fit when someone challenges you on it, and when you're basing those opinions of off things that just aren't true or that you have no experience with you refuse to listen to us when we try to explain why you're mistaken.
 
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Here's an entirely different topic for discussion...

One aspect of the X-Men movies was to make things seem a bit more "grounded" than in the comics. But what if they weren't? What if Jean in X3 was so powerful that she could fly through space igniting supernovae and destroying planets?

Kor
 
But even if the stuff you've read is accurate, you don't always get all of the details and context in summaries.

I'm just going to lay this out here matter of factly. The reason you bug me so much, is not the fact that you have different opinions, it's the way you present them as absolute fact and then throw a shit fit when someone challenges you on it, and when you're basing those opinions of off things that just aren't true or that you have no experience with you refuse to listen to us when we try to explain why you're mistaken.

I don't present my opinions as absolute fact, I present them as my opinions. My opinions can't be wrong for me, so I'd argue I'm more frustrated when people keep trying to claim that my opinions can't be informed by the sources I deem worthy. I don't throw "shit fits". I respond to (generally) baseless allegations and BS, and I admittedly don't always feel like being polite about it.

The problem is that I'm not mistaken, my opinion can't be mistaken because its just what I think. Trying to explain why I'm "mistaken" is what causes arguments. You can argue your opinion, and I will listen. But that doesn't make my opinion wrong or your opinion right. My opinion also doesn't have to effect yours, and the only thing that drags things out into arguments is when people won't just let me make a single post about my opinion and just let it go if they disagree, or at least start a conversation instead of trying to pretend either of us are objectively wrong or right. Somethings are objectively right. Like, humans need oxygen to live. But opinions on media are subjective.

I am right about my personal dislike of Logan, and you're also right if you like the movie. My opinion on the movie's problems is formed by things that happen in the movie that have as much context as they need. I don't need to watch it if I have enough solurces, all unconnected by all supporting the facts, to fo0rm my opinion. I've also argued I don't even need that, but with Logan its so solid I'm legitimately confused that people are arguing about this. This isn't Inhumans or Guardians of the Galaxy 2, productions I've stated negative opinions on that haven't come out. Its Logan. The movie is released, spoilers are anywhere. The movie is being thoroughly discussed and dissected. I can back up the things I hate as having happened in several different ways, and all the context the things I hate have.

I disagree with that assertion. You don't know how what you read is going to be acted by all involved. Even the music can turn something into a home run.

As a longtime James Bond fan, I routinely gobbled up all the spoilers I could before release. I knew in my head how the movie played out before I even saw one second of footage. And yet when I finally sat down and watched the movie my knowledge of what would happen could no compare to how it played when you factored in music, acting, cinematography... hell, anything that has to do with a motion picture.

So I guess what my point is, is that sure, you can say you think you'll dislike the movie based on what you read. But to outright form an opinion on it as if you have seen the movie, is a bit unfair.

I've never had a movie I hated the spoilers from redeem itself when I watched it. From Fant4stic to Wolverine Origins to man of steel to Batman v Superman and beyond, its never happened. With how I judge/enjoy movies, good acting, etc will never compensate for me hating a story. To me, the story is the core of the movie. Now, a bad movie can have a decent story and still be bad if too much of the other stuff is terrible. But, a bad story, in the best case scenario, might lead to a "so bad its entertaining" film. but, even that depends on how the story is bad.

Yeah they couldn't do that, using a charatcer more than once in two different roles?? That might ruin the continuity of the "X-Men cinematic universe" :lol:

I tend to post on this topic with the assumption that some basic common sense will be involved with the next part of the X-Men franchise. I obviously know their bad habits, but I can always hope they don't keep doing it. Plus, its a TV show without anyone from the movie universe really working on it, so I'd think it would be less likely to repeat characters.

If you don't agree, and don't feel like having a conversation, just say you disagree and move on. I prefer to do that, and would do it more if I didn't have a hard time not replying to people who are replying to something I posted. Trying to say I'm wrong is itself wrong, and generally starts an argument.
 
Here's an entirely different topic for discussion...

One aspect of the X-Men movies was to make things seem a bit more "grounded" than in the comics. But what if they weren't? What if Jean in X3 was so powerful that she could fly through space igniting supernovae and destroying planets?

Kor
Then it would at least have been a much more entertaining third act?
 
Ok, breakdown of what my problem is with your style K5: You don't write "I don't like this interpetation of something I like.", you say "The author is a hack!", "The producers hate comics!, "This is terrible!" even about shit you haven't seen... Add "IMHO" as a signature and actually see things before you rant about them and you would be taken seriously a lot more. My taste seems mostly opposite to yours, that's ok, it's just that even if you don't mean to you post opinions like they are facts, you come off that way. Respect other opinions just like you want your own to be respected... oh, and stop being so overly dramatic :p.
 
kirk55555 said:
I've never had a movie I hated the spoilers from redeem itself when I watched it.

Shocking!

It's kind of like how the most scathing forum reviews of certain genre films only come out... after the thing has hit home video. In other words, from people who had already made up their mind, in a sense, by skipping the theatrical release in the first place ( I'm thinking of people on another board when I write this ).
 
Here's an entirely different topic for discussion...

One aspect of the X-Men movies was to make things seem a bit more "grounded" than in the comics. But what if they weren't? What if Jean in X3 was so powerful that she could fly through space igniting supernovae and destroying planets?

Kor

Then the movies would actually stop being repetitions of the same one story they've been telling for 16 years.
 
Ok, breakdown of what my problem is with your style K5: You don't write "I don't like this interpetation of something I like.", you say "The author is a hack!", "The producers hate comics!, "This is terrible!" even about shit you haven't seen... Add "IMHO" as a signature and actually see things before you rant about them and you would be taken seriously a lot more. My taste seems mostly opposite to yours, that's ok, it's just that even if you don't mean to you post opinions like they are facts, you come off that way. Respect other opinions just like you want your own to be respected... oh, and stop being so overly dramatic :p.

You don't have to see a movie to have an opinion on it, especially if there is enough confirmable information. its like saying I can't say The Human Centipede is disgusting without watching the movie and seeing people get sewn mouth to butt. You can hate ideas and story plots without seeing them. No one can explain how I'd instantly forgive
dead mutants, no mutant births, the changes to X-23, and the terrible "final boss" villain
just by watching the movie. The reason for that is that watching the movie in no way fixes my problems with the movie. For me, those are terrible, irredeemable things that ruin the movie for me. Not necessarily for anyone else, but they do for me. There is no fix, and seeing it in motion changes literally nothing.

Don't get me wrong, I'll watch that movie eventually. I haven't skipped watching a major DC/Marvel superhero film yet. I'm just going in with lower expectations then I did with fant4stic, and I expected (rightfully) to hate that movie. I'm expecting Logan to make Fant4stic look like Iron Man from a quality perspective, but I'll still watch it.

Shocking!

It's kind of like how the most scathing forum reviews of certain genre films only come out... after the thing has hit home video. In other words, from people who had already made up their mind, in a sense, by skipping the theatrical release in the first place ( I'm thinking of people on another board when I write this ).

The closest movie theater is about 25 minutes away, and I don't have much money. I get to see about 2-3 movies a year in the movie theater, and its basically when several family members really want to see a certain movie (like Star Wars). So, even if I wanted to see it in theaters (which I very much don't, I only want to see movies that look like I'd enjoy them in theaters), there was never a chance of me seeing Logan on anything but home media or...well, let's just say the "Jack Sparrow" way. Even ignoring my situation, with how many movies come out, and how expensive tickets get, there is nothing wrong with waiting to see a movie, especially if you aren't confident it would be worth the money to see in theaters. Most of my favorite movies I never got to see at the movie theater.
 
Why is "dead mutants" such a problem in the first place?

Why is there such unwillingness to accept superhero deaths in these films?

Must these characters only exist in a form of Saturday-morning-cartoon stasis, in which the status quo is always maintained and as a result there are no real stakes?
 
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