The X-Men Cinematic Universe (General Discussion)

[kirk55555]

^ You can't call something that you've never seen a "mistake".

Yeah, I can. Doing what it would have done to the franchise if I thought it was even remotely in continuity is a mistake. The crappy story is a big mistake. its misuse of characters (including that terrible, contrived final boss villain) are all mistakes. You don't have to agree, but I can definitely call that movie a mistake.

 

[DigificWriter]

Yeah, I can.

No, you can't. It's like a plumber trying to act like a lawyer when they know nothing about the law.

 

[kirk55555]

No, you can't. It's like a plumber trying to act like a lawyer when they know nothing about the law.

As a fan of the franchise, I can say that, in my opinion, something is a mistake. I can also say its crappy. You don't have to be a filmmaker or actor or something to say that.

 

[DigificWriter]

As a fan of the franchise, I can say that, in my opinion, something is a mistake. I can also say its crappy. You don't have to be a filmmaker or actor or something to say that.

 

[kirk55555]

I really don't think there was a point that could be missed. If you want to elaborate, I can respond even though at this point it seems a bit pointless since I've gone into so much detail about my opinions on Logan.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Since you seem to be making a habit of being willfully obtuse, the point is that you can't legitimately talk about something you know nothing about (which is what my comment about a plumber trying to be a lawyer when they know nothing about the law was meant to illustrate), meaning that, contrary to what you might believe, you forfeit all right to complain about Logan or call the film a mistake until/unless you actually see it.

Also, in the interest of not being a hypocrite, I'm now going to stop making comments about Logan myself until I actually have an opportunity to go see it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

DOFP follows the "First Class" continuity, which is already different from the previous movies.
Case in point: "When l was seventeen l met a young man named Erik Lensherr."

Kor

It was truly amazing....

 

[kirk55555]

^ Since you seem to be making a habit of being willfully obtuse, the point is that you can't legitimately talk about something you know nothing about (which is what my comment about a plumber trying to be a lawyer when they know nothing about the law was meant to illustrate), meaning that, contrary to what you might believe, you forfeit all right to complain about Logan or call the film a mistake until/unless you actually see it.

Also, in the interest of not being a hypocrite, I'm now going to stop making comments about Logan myself until I actually have an opportunity to go see it.

That's BS. Unless you want to say people were lying about the spoilers (in multiple places) I can form an opinion on the story. I don't need to see the moving pictures to hate the story. Nothing in Hugh Jackman's acting is going to make this stuff less shit. We're talking about the story, not the cinematography or acting. I know all about it, and unless a large number of strangers on many different sites (incuding this one) are part of a mass conspiracy to make up fake story descriptions/spoilers for Logan,

I know exactly what happens and I hate it. There is no aspect of acting watching it that will make me hate it less. At this point, I hate this movie more going into it then I hated Fant4stic, but I'll see it. It won't change my opinion because I already know what I need to about the story, stuff that's been confirmed by multiple people/places.

 

[Thestral]

So, she visits Xavier's school school and meets the X-Men? Seriously, though, X-23 has become popular and stayed around because of the comics, not the obscure X-Men cartoon that few people liked or remember. But, if there is one thing FOX goes through periods of hating more then continuity, its comics. First Wolverine Origins with fake Deadpool, now Logan with X-23. I mean, she's not even the right age based off of the cartoon, and what the hell does Mexico City have to do with X-23? Absolutely nothing, unless you're the hack writing Logan, apparently.

You tried to say that Laura is X-23 "in name only." But I'm telling you that I saw her first appearances in anything ever, and her character in Logan is pretty much identical to those first appearances. The actual source material, which the comic incarnation is based on (rather than vice-versa). The specifics of plot are different - being grown in Mexico City with a bunch of other cloned mutants, never being used as an assassin, the actual movie - but the core of her character is the very same. The right age isn't really that much different, it's 12 or so instead of 14-15. And being from Mexico City is no more bizzare for X-23 than Xavier being British.

 

[kirk55555]

You tried to say that Laura is X-23 "in name only." But I'm telling you that I saw her first appearances in anything ever, and her character in Logan is pretty much identical to those first appearances. The actual source material, which the comic incarnation is based on (rather than vice-versa). The specifics of plot are different - being grown in Mexico City with a bunch of other cloned mutants, never being used as an assassin, the actual movie - but the core of her character is the very same. The right age isn't really that much different, it's 12 or so instead of 14-15. And being from Mexico City is no more bizzare for X-23 than Xavier being British.

So she's exactly like the cartoon X-23, except for the bunch of ways she isn't . Plus, the incarnation she barely resembles isn't even the only version of X-23 people would probably know, the comic version. So, basically, being a female clone of Wolverine named X-23 is the only thing she has in common with any other version of X-23.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

So she's exactly like the cartoon X-23, except for the bunch of ways she isn't . Plus, the incarnation she barely resembles isn't even the only version of X-23 people would probably know, the comic version. So, basically, being a female clone of Wolverine named X-23 is the only thing she has in common with any other version of X-23.

What specific change that they made regarding X-23 makes you hate their interpretation so much? (Is she a favourite character of yours that you were hoping to see adapted exactly as you've always hoped for?)

Knowing that every single character in every movie has had changes to then when they were adapted (some much more than others, obviously) and we can get nitpicky about the minor details if we really wanted to ignore the core of their characters.

 

[kirk55555]

What specific change that they made regarding X-23 makes you hate their interpretation so much? (Is she a favourite character of yours that you were hoping to see adapted exactly as you've always hoped for?)

Knowing that every single character in every movie has had changes to then when they were adapted (some much more than others, obviously) and we can get nitpicky about the minor details if we really wanted to ignore the core of their characters.

I like X-23 fairly well, as she's shown in the comics. She wasn't good in X-Men evolution, but there really wasn't anything good about X-Men evolution. But, I definitely don't count a (possibly mute? Or, based on earlier revel, not English speaking?) 12 year old (and yes, there is a big difference between a 12 year old and a 14-15 year old) who has nothing in common with the comic version except they're both female clones of Wolverine with the same name. The X-Men franchise changes all characters somewhat, but the big characters usually aren't so changed that they only share a name and one basic trait with the source character. Now, a bunch of side characters do that, and one or two main characters are even worse then X-23 in some cases (I'd include Mystique as a character that is very different then the comic version, and its not an improvement). But, having it happen to X-23 (who isn't a Top 10 favorite but is a character I like), is more annoying then, say, what the franchise did to characters like Caliban or Banshee.

The X-23 changes aren't minor details, its literally the whole character outside of the very basic premise. But, really, with all the other problems Logan has, X-23 is far from the worst thing, or the thing that personally pisses me off the most.

 

[JD]

Are you honestly telling people who have seen a movie you haven't that you know the movie better than they do.... again? Seriously, how shutting up until you've actually seen the movie.

 

[kitik]

Can we please give warning points to the people who try to argue with k5? Just let the guy whine about whatever he's hating this week and ignore him. There's no arguing with a brick wall, guys. When he makes up his mind, he hates something for life.

 

[JD]

I've tried, I really have, but he just drives me so crazy I can't ignore him.

 

[kitik]

Believe me, I understand. When you see something posted that is just plain wrong, you have to correct it. But you just cannot win. It's a losing battle, k5 always wins, dats da rules.

 

[JD]

Yeah, you're probably right.

 

[kirk55555]

Are you honestly telling people who have seen a movie you haven't that you know the movie better than they do.... again? Seriously, how shutting up until you've actually seen the movie.

So, you're telling me that dozens of places are all lying? Because if they aren't (and, spoiler alert, they aren't) then I know all I need to about the movie. There isn't a major plot point I don't at least have some idea on, and the bits I don't can possibly fix the problems I have. Nothing is going to make their BS reasons for all mutant births stopping or the X-Men death's acceptable. No scene or bit of acting is going to fix X-23, or make

Spoiler: Logan

X-24, aka evil wolverine clone

a good idea. So, no, I don't know the movie better then people who have seen it. But I know there is no context possible to fix the problems I have with confirmed events and plot of the movie, and that I hate all of that stuff. This isn't me judging a movie before its out. Its avaliable and widely spoiled. Everything I know and hate I can confirm happen. So, your complaint definitely doesn't hold water. I'm informed on the relevant stuff enough to have opinions on events. If you know the events, and even the context of the events, seeing it acted out in front of you isn't necessary. Like I said, its not like the acting or cinematography is going to change my problems with the movie.

 

[Beagleman]

Logan is the best X-Movie there is. (Because opinion = facts... Yeah, it actually is). But what do I know? I'm just sitting here eating my Corn flakes, watching, waiting.

 

[Reverend]

Can we get back to nitpicking inconsistent easter eggs? That was way less tedious and futile.

I've tried, I really have, but he just drives me so crazy I can't ignore him.

Actually, with just two clicks you literally can ignore him indefinitely.

Logan is the best X-Movie there is. (Because opinion = facts... Yeah, it actually is). But what do I know? I'm just sitting here eating my Corn flakes, watching, waiting.

All opinions are factually equal but some facts are more equal than others....or something. Wait, how many legs does an opinion have again?