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The X-Men Cinematic Universe (General Discussion)

DOFP follows the "First Class" continuity, which is already different from the previous movies.
Case in point: "When l was seventeen l met a young man named Erik Lensherr."

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Another option, though perhaps unsatisfying, is just to assume they were two different guys with the same mutation, since the Apocalypse guy isn't named Warren Worthington in the film.
That's my choice, as even in the credits he's only referred to as "Angel", not even "Warren Worthington III / Angel"
And in the whole X-franchise there are loads of characters that have similar powers. I know Azazel and Nightcrawler are supposed to be related in the comics but in the movies there's indication of that at all, and watching X3 again earlier today there are a couple of teleporters in Magneto's gang at the end as well.
Even "Psylocke" in X3, the only power we see her use is when she walks through a wall just like Kitty Pryde does. And aside from a bit of purple dye in her hair there's nothing relating her to the character from the comics, she's never referred to by name outside of the end credits. (I can't even recall if she spoke in the movie, she's basically an extra.) So there's no issue of her too being a completely different individual to Psylocke in Apocalypse
 
The X-Men will not be killed en masse. mutants will not stop being born. Period. End of story. Unless FOX is somehow magically losing the rights to X-Men and decides to go out in a blaze of "glory", or is closng the franchise down with a reboot, the future shown in Logan is not the future of the franchise, it doesn't matter how far along in the future we're talking about.
Maybe you should watch the fucking movie before you start telling someone whose seen it what is is?
Like I said before there are ways to work around the things you mentioned there, and if you had actually seen the movie before you started spouting off you'd know that.
With the kids getting away at the end and with Rice and his people being dead, I could easily see them launching things off with mutants starting to be born again after Logan. The comics could then inspire the kids to restart the x-men, and become the leaders of a new generation of mutants. We also never got a ton of details on what exactly happened during the Westchester incident, so if they really wanted they could reveal there were survivors. It would be kind of a dick move, and a hell of a retcon, but it's not totally impossible.
The Angel in Apocalypse is clearly someone who was born earlier than 1973, so the time alteration in DOFP wouldn't be sufficient to explain him on its own if we were to assume the alteration could only go in one direction and affect things after 1973. However, if we assume for whatever reason ( see Pegg's Trek-related comments ) that the changes may propagate both forward and backward in the timeline, then pre-1973 stuff can be explained away as well. Still, this is a much bigger discrepancy in birth year than we saw with, say, the two Chekovs. Another option, though perhaps unsatisfying, is just to assume they were two different guys with the same mutation, since the Apocalypse guy isn't named Warren Worthington in the film.
OK, I'll give you that one.
It's only 6 years after DOFP.
I thought there was a bigger gap between the DOFP epilogue and Logan.
 
Once time travel is a possibility in your fictional universe all continuity is out of the window. So Kitty can teleport someone into the past, so can that one mutant in Angola who wants fresh eggs for breakfast or that guy in Perth who wants his girlfriend back. The timeline is a mess, because... people. (Now I want a Coen-Bros. X-Film)
 
Damn, that's a short distance of time for everything to go to pot.

The end of Mutant civilization didn't happen in just 6 years. It was a far slower and more drawn-out process, and was happening during the events of DoFP's "happy future"; we as an audience just didn't know it.
 
The end of Mutant civilization didn't happen in just 6 years. It was a far slower and more drawn-out process, and was happening during the events of DoFP's "happy future"; we as an audience just didn't know it.
Things were just shiny inside the mansion, but outside it was grim:lol:
 
Also, X-23... (... pretty much in name only from what I understand, well at least X-23...)...

Having seen the movie, this much at least I can guarantee you're wrong about. Except for Spanish being her first language/coming from Mexico City, Laura in Logan is almost a one-for-one translation of X-23 from X-Men: Evolution.
 
Once time travel is a possibility in your fictional universe all continuity is out of the window. So Kitty can teleport someone into the past, so can that one mutant in Angola who wants fresh eggs for breakfast or that guy in Perth who wants his girlfriend back. The timeline is a mess, because... people. (Now I want a Coen-Bros. X-Film)
Damn, now I want a Coen Brothers X-Men film, too. :lol:
 
I guess for some reason I was assuming the Zander Rice scheme had been going on in the original timeline too, but now that I think about it, with the Sentinel project looming in the background I guess they figured they didn't need it.
 
Mutants were wiped out by the Sentinels in the original timeline and by Transigen's genetically engineered food additives in the new timeline (eventually, anyway).

Same effect, different cause.
 
Except it does and it is, as stated by James Mangold (even as he designed it to be standalone).


This is nonsense. Logan marking an "end point" - even a disastrous one - for the franchise has no bearing on FOX's ability to continue telling stories in its universe either before or after its events and continue getting people to care about said stories.

Of course they say that now. but, i guarantee you that, a few years down the road, if asked whether all the X-Men and mutants are going to be dead in a few decades, FOX would just laugh at the suggestion. You don't end a franchise like this, especially not off screen in a crappy spin off film.

Having seen the movie, this much at least I can guarantee you're wrong about. Except for Spanish being her first language/coming from Mexico City, Laura in Logan is almost a one-for-one translation of X-23 from X-Men: Evolution.

So, she visits Xavier's school school and meets the X-Men? :vulcan: Seriously, though, X-23 has become popular and stayed around because of the comics, not the obscure X-Men cartoon that few people liked or remember. But, if there is one thing FOX goes through periods of hating more then continuity, its comics. First Wolverine Origins with fake Deadpool, now Logan with X-23. I mean, she's not even the right age based off of the cartoon, and what the hell does Mexico City have to do with X-23? Absolutely nothing, unless you're the hack writing Logan, apparently.


Mutants were wiped out by the Sentinels in the original timeline and by Transigen's genetically engineered food additives in the new timeline (eventually, anyway).

Same effect, different cause.

You can't stop mutant births with food additives. I mean for fucks sake, a 12 year old can write better fanfiction then Logan's writer can write a story. The amount of additives you'd need, plus somehow making it undetectable and irreversible and even eaten by, say, native tribes that don't eat processed food (because mutants can pop up anywhere), is ridiculous even by comic book standards.

Maybe you should watch the fucking movie before you start telling someone whose seen it what is is?
Like I said before there are ways to work around the things you mentioned there, and if you had actually seen the movie before you started spouting off you'd know that.
With the kids getting away at the end and with Rice and his people being dead, I could easily see them launching things off with mutants starting to be born again after Logan. The comics could then inspire the kids to restart the x-men, and become the leaders of a new generation of mutants. We also never got a ton of details on what exactly happened during the Westchester incident, so if they really wanted they could reveal there were survivors. It would be kind of a dick move, and a hell of a retcon, but it's not totally impossible.

There is absolutely no way, outside of scarlet Witch saying "No more Mutants", or worldwide plague of zombie-like proportions, that mutants could stop being born in the first place (I obviously don't buy the food thing). There is also no way that every living X-Men could be killed at once. There is a ton of them, and I refuse to believe that every single one was in some small area to be killed. Even then, that doesn't stop the births. Or ones immune to the method that killed the X-Men (and I know what killed them, I read the spoilers since I don't mind being spoiled about crap movies). There is absolutely no situation, outside of something massing and world ending l

Anyway, if this future is ever addressed and not completely ignored, it will be because it gets time wiped away, ike the DOFP future. The X-Men and muitants in general are never going to be in the situation depicted in Logan. At most it will be another prevented future, but most likely it will just be ignored without comment. Not the movie itself, but it being connected to the main series. The X-Men comics managed six years with most of the mutants killed off after House of M. The movies probably won't take that long, most likely because its already being ignored and will continue not to be addressed by every X-Men movie that will be made from this point onward.
 
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@kirk55555 As with Supergirl, why are you even commenting? You clearly don't like what is being done with these movies, so do yourself and everyone else a favor and just stop talking about this franchise.
 
@kirk55555 As with Supergirl, why are you even commenting? You clearly don't like what is being done with these movies, so do yourself and everyone else a favor and just stop talking about this franchise.

1) I've like Supergirl Season 2 fairly well, outside of a few bad weeks. Why even bring that up here?

2) I can talk about whatever I like. I like every X-Men movie I've seen (which is every one but Logan) to some extent except Wolverine Origins, and I'm including X3 in that (its not a good movie, but its watchable and has good elements). X-Men 1, 2, First Class and DOFP are all very good movies, Deadpool (if it even counts as an X-Men film) is amazing and The Wolverine & Apocalypse are a bit weak but still ok. I like the vast majority of the franchise, even if it has some continual issues like continuity problems and its costume phobia that bug me. I'm pretty sure I'll like New Mutants, Deadpool 2, the probably follow up to Apocalypse, and most of the movies they put out. Its a franchise I have a big interest in and like a good deal (its not near the level of the MCU, but its generally good). Logan just happens to be another Wolverine Origins, one of the few complete mistakes they've made.
 
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