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Spoilers Logan - Grading & Discussion

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At first, I actually thought it was a surprise appearance by Liev Schreiber, so I was bummed out when we got a good look at his face.

I saw an interview with Hugh Jackman who said that they actually talked about bringing back Schreiber, but I've forgotten reason why they decided against it.
 
A-

I left the cinema after watching this film feeling hollowed out, just piece after piece torn out of me as the movie went along; the moments of brilliant joy making the sharp descents back into despair hurt that much more. It was almost cathartic.

But the reason the film only gets an A- and not an A+ is that I wanted the film to destroy me, just leave me utterly broken. And the ending was just too safe to do that. The bad guys all died justly, the kids all survived and get to head off for a new home, and the only one who died on the side of good was the one already close to dead anyway.
 
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NOT A REAL PRODUCT

(but it would be nice)
 
The comic version of X-23 was much older when she met Wolverine, around 18-20 IIRC. You can read her profile here.

Though in X-Men: Evolution where she originated, she's closer to Dafne Keen's age; still older but I'd say more like 14 or so there.


Anyway, what a fantastic movie. I knew it was going to be dark and gritty and violent, but I didn't expect it to be so emotionally rich. Jackman and Stewart were fantastic of course, but the standout by far is Dafne Keen.

You know, it's heretical to say I know, but at this point I'm not sure which character I associate Patrick Stewart with more at this point.

Re: the cursing and amount of fucks. It didn't sound forced at all to my ears.
 
A great conclusion for Logan himself and an excellent introduction of X-23. They did this one very well, good use of the R rating.
My only real problem with it was X-24. I thought they could have put a lot of other interesting mutants in that position, it seemed a little silly to have another Wolverine clone running around. At least we got to see 23 blow his head off, hopefully that ends the Wolverine clone chorus line, leaving just her from now on.

While they certainly could have used one of several good alternatives (Sabertooth included), I think X-24 is the one that thematically makes the most sense for this movie. All through the movie Logan is fighting his advancing years, constantly reminded that he's not the man he used to be and then a literal incarnation of his past self shows up. A bit on the nose, but then nothing else about this movie is all that subtle (and all the better for it!)

To nitpick: I don't think he's actually a clone on the traditional sense. The movie is deliberately light on details but IIRC it's said he was built from scratch. I take that to mean they literally constructed him from the skeleton on out using Logan's DNA as a template for the genetically designed tissue, rather than they grew him from a fetus as they did with the X-23s.
It went by pretty quick so I might have misinterpreted what I was seeing, but I'm pretty sure the nurse's phone camera footage showed complete appendages being grown separately and surgically attached to limbs. In that sense he's closer to a Blade Runner replicant crossed with Frankenstein's Monster than a true clone.
 
When it comes to X-24, are we supposed to assume growth acceleration ( as seen in Star Wars clones ) or was he actually started earlier, far enough back that his "visual" age is his actual age?
 
I wasn't real clear on that either.
They said the children were carried by local Mexican women who thought they were part of some medical trial, but I don't recall if it was specified with they were just surrogates or also their biological mothers. That said, the nurse said something to the effect of "their fathers are special seeds in bottles" which when considered next to Dafne Keen's Spanish heritage make the latter seem quite likely.

I suppose some epigenetic process could be at work, but I doubt it'd be anywhere near so pronounced as to alter her apparent ethnicity.

This time, X-23 was a biological daughter and not a clone, wasn't she?

IIRC the version in the comics is technically neither. The initial intent was to create a straight clone of Logan but something about his Y-chromosome prevented a viable specimen being created. So they doubled up his single X-chromosome to make a female version instead.
In a way she's half a clone, or maybe a daughter for which he was both parents. I'm not sure there's even a specific word for that.
No idea if this is even vaguely plausible, but then neither is a healing factor, so who cares? ;)

So...cloning?
Clones are straight copies of organisms that are grown as a whole, just like any other.
This thing appears to have been assembled from separate, specially tailored parts and then surgically integrated. A detailed, painstakingly re-constructed and subtly altered replica of the original. When you make a clone, there's generally not a "some assembly required" label on the test tube. They also don't generally start out as full grown adults.

It's the difference between a photocopy and precisely retyping the entire document, with a few key edits and a slightly different choice in the typeface. The end result may look very similar, but it's an entirely different process.
 
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