Uh, NO... pointing out what SEVERAL EPISODES have noted: Mon'El's lack of responsibility.
Combine that with Kara's lack of sexual experience -- in the real world, she could get pregnant.
And if I were her dad, I would definitely blame the guy.
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Uh, NO... pointing out what SEVERAL EPISODES have noted: Mon'El's lack of responsibility.
Combine that with Kara's lack of sexual experience -- in the real world, she could get pregnant.
And if I were her dad, I would definitely blame the guy.
Maybe that's real reason Jeremiah tried to infiltrate the DEO. He found out Kara was knocking boots with Mon-el.
I do like this show and Supergirl is one of my favourite characters.
But..
I am surprised she did get her own T.V Series don't get me wrong i'm glad she did, I think Melissa is doing a great job, but she has a small rogues gallery and usually ends up fighting Supermans Rogue's.
I'm surprised they went with an older version of the character as I believe since Kara Zor El's resurrection in the comics she has always been portrayed as a teenager between the age of 16-18 ?(Guess they wanted to avoid Smallville similarities ?)
My feelings after watching season 1, was I could quite easily be watching a Superman show rather than Supergirl. Putting Cat Co in the background and going more with the DEO is the right move I feel, and have Kara at some point towards the end of this season or start of next make the career change to DEO Agent.
You have the opportunity to move away from Kara the reporter, working at a Newspaper, having her versions of Jimmy, Perry White, Lois, ect, Break away from what I said earlier about it being to close to a Superman show but with gender swapped. Supergirl deserves better than that as she is more than just a female version of Superman.
I hope the show continues for many more seasons.
But..
I am surprised she did get her own T.V Series don't get me wrong i'm glad she did, I think Melissa is doing a great job, but she has a small rogues gallery and usually ends up fighting Supermans Rogue's.
I'm surprised they went with an older version of the character as I believe since Kara Zor El's resurrection in the comics she has always been portrayed as a teenager between the age of 16-18 ?(Guess they wanted to avoid Smallville similarities ?)
My feelings after watching season 1, was I could quite easily be watching a Superman show rather than Supergirl. Putting Cat Co in the background and going more with the DEO is the right move I feel, and have Kara at some point towards the end of this season or start of next make the career change to DEO Agent.
You have the opportunity to move away from Kara the reporter, working at a Newspaper, having her versions of Jimmy, Perry White, Lois, ect, Break away from what I said earlier about it being to close to a Superman show but with gender swapped. Supergirl deserves better than that as she is more than just a female version of Superman.
I hope the show continues for many more seasons.
Nothing new there. Quite a few of the characters featured on Arrow have been from other comics. The main Green Arrow adversaries they've used have been Merlyn, China White, and Count Vertigo. Deathstroke, Brother Blood, Damien Darhk, and HIVE are Teen Titans characters, as is Lyla Michaels (Harbinger). Ra's al Ghul and his daughters, Deadshot, Huntress, Anatoly Knyazev (KGBeast), and Prometheus are originally Batman characters. Felicity Smoak was originally a supporting character for Firestorm. And so on. And of course the Legends of Tomorrow are a hodgepodge of characters from other sources. So the only DC/CW character who had a large pre-existing rogue's gallery that the show has drawn on is the Flash.
The show's Felicity Smoak is a wholly original character and an ACTUAL example of the "in name only" accusation that people tend to throw around when they dislike the way that a person behaves or a character has been portrayed relative to what their own personal perceptions are.
Only a handful of DC heroes have a "rogue gallery". Even with Wonder Woman one would have trouble naming more than one-two enemies of her...
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Not entirely -- she does at least share the original's background in computers.
Which just shows how silly and obnoxious it is to approach that as an "accusation," as if creative license were some kind of crime. The show's Felicity proves that reinvention can be an improvement. And of course, she's one of many comics-adaptation characters that have been almost completely transformed from their namesakes in the comics. Thea Queen is a mostly-original character loosely based on Mia "Speedy" Dearden. Lyla Michaels is the superhero Harbinger in the comics, rather than a government agent. Cisco Ramon and Caitlin Snow on The Flash are quite different from their counterparts, although they've been getting closer. The name "Gypsy" has been given to a character with completely different powers and background. Over in Marvel, Agents of SHIELD has completely reinterpreted characters like John Garrett, Lance Hunter, and Mack MacKenzie.
It's Jimmy!
Surprised it took them this long to drop a Cain/Superman reference.
Surprised it took them this long to drop a Cain/Superman reference.
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^ What was the reference?
Lillian told Jeremiah, "This time, you're the only superman we need."
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Kara decides to show up for work and then gets fired. Now she can be at the DEO full time.
And where was Superman? If there was ever a time he was needed...
And where was Superman? If there was ever a time he was needed...
They ruled out doing it anonymously early in the episode.
Dean Cain and Teri Hatcher in the same episode!
"Exodus"--
SG/Kara: If Kara's a true reporter, she should have known most of her statement to Carr would be considered little more than unsubstantiated suggestion. Now that she's fired, I hope this does not turn into "Kara--rogue political blogger"--or perhaps its just the writers knowing they cannot script
Jeremiah: He had his legitimate reasons for supporting Cadmus, but I feel his story will take another turn.
Alex: The loyalty test scene was nice--as she said from the start, she was the only advocate her father had. She's at her best when he butts heads with Kara, instead engaging in her cheerleader / big sister act.
Lillian: Sounding very much like the DC animated universe's Lex Luthor with the resentment of aliens treated as God. She's too good a villain to be written off.
James: Nice to see James handle himself in the bar fight and quickly change to the Guardian to save Alex. Good use of the character--at least early on. Rare in this season of shoving him into corners.
Lena: More chess moves with her convenient help and "what are friends for." At least I hope she's playing her own game and not some weak "Luthor gone good" character.
Hank: No problem with his testing Alex; its his version of a typical federal psych evaluation, and he's not one of the "I told you so" gang regarding Jeremiah.
Snapper: How did I know his grandmother story would be used to convince him to write that story?
Winn: Something still does not feel right about his relationship.
NOTES: Well choreographed bar fight.
Continuing the series tradition of astoundingly immature, transparent, heavy-handed & details-free immigration / deportation commentary. Not to mention that "put a fascist in the White House" line. If only some understood what fascism really means.
Alex did not have time to plant mines in all areas seen--especially anywhere near the control center she had to be escorted to. Convenient Master Planning to sell her as...a Master Planner.
Another "hope" plot from Kara's blog instead of SG's alien mind control-busting speech through vintage broadcast equipment. Few things are so simple.
Quickie return to beating the "sisterhood" drum (spaceship scene), when Kara was so Hellbent against the idea of Jeremiah being innocent to the point of standing against Alex until the last minute.
The FX...come on...this is 2017. From the flying sequences to the ship lacking any sense of scale. Pretty bad.
Sorbo coming in "Starcrossed" airing 3/20. Considering the title, it makes me wonder if it will dare to be as dramatic / brave as the Justice League episode of the same name.
GRADE: C- for the weak commentary, along with the sudden non-resolution to the Cadmus part of the plot (even a temporary resolution).
SG/Kara: If Kara's a true reporter, she should have known most of her statement to Carr would be considered little more than unsubstantiated suggestion. Now that she's fired, I hope this does not turn into "Kara--rogue political blogger"--or perhaps its just the writers knowing they cannot script
Jeremiah: He had his legitimate reasons for supporting Cadmus, but I feel his story will take another turn.
Alex: The loyalty test scene was nice--as she said from the start, she was the only advocate her father had. She's at her best when he butts heads with Kara, instead engaging in her cheerleader / big sister act.
Lillian: Sounding very much like the DC animated universe's Lex Luthor with the resentment of aliens treated as God. She's too good a villain to be written off.
James: Nice to see James handle himself in the bar fight and quickly change to the Guardian to save Alex. Good use of the character--at least early on. Rare in this season of shoving him into corners.
Lena: More chess moves with her convenient help and "what are friends for." At least I hope she's playing her own game and not some weak "Luthor gone good" character.
Hank: No problem with his testing Alex; its his version of a typical federal psych evaluation, and he's not one of the "I told you so" gang regarding Jeremiah.
Snapper: How did I know his grandmother story would be used to convince him to write that story?
Winn: Something still does not feel right about his relationship.
NOTES: Well choreographed bar fight.
Continuing the series tradition of astoundingly immature, transparent, heavy-handed & details-free immigration / deportation commentary. Not to mention that "put a fascist in the White House" line. If only some understood what fascism really means.
Alex did not have time to plant mines in all areas seen--especially anywhere near the control center she had to be escorted to. Convenient Master Planning to sell her as...a Master Planner.
Another "hope" plot from Kara's blog instead of SG's alien mind control-busting speech through vintage broadcast equipment. Few things are so simple.
Quickie return to beating the "sisterhood" drum (spaceship scene), when Kara was so Hellbent against the idea of Jeremiah being innocent to the point of standing against Alex until the last minute.
The FX...come on...this is 2017. From the flying sequences to the ship lacking any sense of scale. Pretty bad.
Sorbo coming in "Starcrossed" airing 3/20. Considering the title, it makes me wonder if it will dare to be as dramatic / brave as the Justice League episode of the same name.
GRADE: C- for the weak commentary, along with the sudden non-resolution to the Cadmus part of the plot (even a temporary resolution).
Carr is a cartoon character; the things he says about journalism are so absolutist and simplistic as to be essentially untrue. Peculiarly enough what he most resembles is the kind of shut-in, conspiracy-minded blogger or poster who fancies himself a crusader but has minimal to no experience as a reporter.
Basically the character functions to help stage occasional empty dramatic beats in order to rachet up tension during an episode.
Basically the character functions to help stage occasional empty dramatic beats in order to rachet up tension during an episode.
As Supergirl she could have gone on nationwide TV as quickly as it took her to fly into a network TV studio, and been taken more seriously than Kara Danvers blogging could hope to be. The whole subplot was nonsense.
Shoved into a corner is exactly what happened again. I know an hour long (42 minute) script can't include everything, but James is the head of the company that the lead character works for. Snapper may be the news editor, but the episode needed some interaction between Kara and Jimmy over her firing. Instead, he's sitting in a bar with no lines. The closing act needed the two of them reflecting on her actions rather than Mon El's tiresome shtick.
Didn't she lift a space fort into orbit a year ago? Why the struggle with some puny starship?
That was just one of the references. When Kara said "Supergirl is what I can do, Kara is who I am," she was paraphrasing Dean Cain's Clark from the Lois and Clark episode "Tempus Fugitive."
Someone suggested the other day that the show might be phasing out the CatCo stuff, and now it looks like that may actually happen. Which I think would be a shame, since I like that aspect of the show. Well, maybe Kara could get a job at L Corp?
The plot didn't make a lot of sense to me -- even if the DEO is off the books, the federal alien registry presumably isn't, given that it was part of President Marsdin's very public amnesty act. So why couldn't the White House or some on-the-books federal agency issue the warning about the registry being hacked? It's hard to believe the only possible way to get the word out was to go through Kara and Snapper. Why couldn't Kara go to James? CatCo isn't just a magazine, it's a whole multimedia empire that has divisions Snapper doesn't run -- TV, internet, etc. (And how did CatCo Magazine suddenly become "the paper of record" for National City? It's not the Daily Planet, guys!)
Still, Supergirl and Alex gazing through the starship window as Supergirl strove to stop the ship was a pretty fantastic moment.
Didn't she lift a space fort into orbit a year ago? Why the struggle with some puny starship?
The space fort wasn't pushing back.
What is it going to take to please some of you people? I mean, seriously; this was the best episode of the entire series thus far, and yet some people here are acting like it 'killed their mother'.
Supergirl was, is, and always will be the most 'politically driven' of the DCW series, and there's nothing wrong with that, because the political undertones and 'social commentary' narrative elements have been, at least for me, among the better parts of the show through its first 35 episodes. Tonight's episode so blatantly pushing back against the concept of forced deportation, coupled with Snapper's mention of a "fascist President", gave me everything that I want from this show as far as 'political commentary' is concerned, while also delivering a really great Sci-Fi-based story in and of itself.
Alex getting all pissed and aggressive this episode was nice to see from a character standpoint, although J'onn disguising himself as Jeremiah to trick Alex into incriminating herself really was a 'bridge too far'. I did like their reconciliation at the end, though, and 'got my squee on' when she hugged him since, if she can't actually hug her own father, J'onn really is the next best thing.
It continues to baffle me why there are so many people out there who insist on believing that Lena is 'shady', especially when the show keeps on showing us that she's not, but hopefully what happened tonight will silence the doubters since there's absolutely nothing in any way selfish, shady, or self-aggrandizing about what she did in looking into L Corp's past dealings to uncover possible connections/clues to Cadmus and what they were doing in kidnapping aliens. The only thing I was kind of surprised by is that she seemed to buy Supergirl's explanation about how she suddenly showed up outside L Corp, but only because I feel like Lena is eventually going to learn that Kara and Supergirl are one and the same and the show might not get a better opportunity to make that reveal than they gave themselves tonight.
Being in possession of some spoilers for upcoming episodes gives me a very different perspective on the Wynn/Lyra relationship and Kara being fired by Snapper than I've seen others espousing online, but I love that they brought James back to being a buddy to Wynn outside of their exploits as "Team Guardian", especially with Winn being so head-over-heels in love with Lyra, especially since I know what it's going to lead to soon. I also got a big kick out of James showing back up as Guardian to save Alex's 'bacon' and help apprehend the bald Cadmus thug that she later beats the holy crap out of (go POed!Alex).
They brought back the "Solar Flare" theme for the moment towards the climax of the episode where Kara had to forcibly stop the Hosnian transport ship from jumping into hyperspace, and I really enjoyed it; I do wish they'd had Kara be physically weaker, though, since it would've been a nice callback to the fact that she can in fact lose her powers if she's put under too much strain/has to exert an intense amount of effort. Having said that, though, I really enjoyed that entire sequence and love that we got another sweet "supersisters" moment where Alex is silently encouraging Kara through the ship's "bridge window".
Teri Hatcher and Kevin Sorbo making their debuts during the episode's coda was also fun, and confirms that the people that we saw earlier in the season at the conclusion of Medusa were Daxamites, which makes it kind of curious that they referred to one of their own - Mon-El - as formally as they did in conversation amongst themselves. I also found it kind of curious that it didn't seem to take long for Hatcher and Sorbo's characters, the King and Queen, to begin feeling the effects of Earth's yellow sun on their bodies as opposed to what happened with Mon-El, but maybe that's a function of the fact that he spent so many years stuck in a Kryptonian pod in the Well of Stars.
If @Christopher hadn't pointed it out, I wouldn't have remembered/realized that Kara's comment to Mon-El that "Supergirl is what I can do; Kara is who I am" was a paraphrased reprise of something from Lois and Clark, but I think it makes far more sense coming from Kara, especially as she's characterized in this show, than it does coming from Clark (even Dean Cain's Clark), since it's an affirmation of something that I've repeated in the past, which is that Kara doesn't actually technically have a 'secret identity' so much as she has three separate but interconnected identities that help define who she is.
I'm really intrigued to find out what next week's episode - and The Flash's Duet - is going to hold, especially since it results in the outing of Mon-El's secret past as the Daxamite Prince - and wish we didn't have to wait two weeks, but I'd rather have them take a break next week than have to wait more than a week to get to The Flash's episode, "Duet", which is also going to have some pretty big Karamel-related stuff in it.
Supergirl was, is, and always will be the most 'politically driven' of the DCW series, and there's nothing wrong with that, because the political undertones and 'social commentary' narrative elements have been, at least for me, among the better parts of the show through its first 35 episodes. Tonight's episode so blatantly pushing back against the concept of forced deportation, coupled with Snapper's mention of a "fascist President", gave me everything that I want from this show as far as 'political commentary' is concerned, while also delivering a really great Sci-Fi-based story in and of itself.
Alex getting all pissed and aggressive this episode was nice to see from a character standpoint, although J'onn disguising himself as Jeremiah to trick Alex into incriminating herself really was a 'bridge too far'. I did like their reconciliation at the end, though, and 'got my squee on' when she hugged him since, if she can't actually hug her own father, J'onn really is the next best thing.
It continues to baffle me why there are so many people out there who insist on believing that Lena is 'shady', especially when the show keeps on showing us that she's not, but hopefully what happened tonight will silence the doubters since there's absolutely nothing in any way selfish, shady, or self-aggrandizing about what she did in looking into L Corp's past dealings to uncover possible connections/clues to Cadmus and what they were doing in kidnapping aliens. The only thing I was kind of surprised by is that she seemed to buy Supergirl's explanation about how she suddenly showed up outside L Corp, but only because I feel like Lena is eventually going to learn that Kara and Supergirl are one and the same and the show might not get a better opportunity to make that reveal than they gave themselves tonight.
Being in possession of some spoilers for upcoming episodes gives me a very different perspective on the Wynn/Lyra relationship and Kara being fired by Snapper than I've seen others espousing online, but I love that they brought James back to being a buddy to Wynn outside of their exploits as "Team Guardian", especially with Winn being so head-over-heels in love with Lyra, especially since I know what it's going to lead to soon. I also got a big kick out of James showing back up as Guardian to save Alex's 'bacon' and help apprehend the bald Cadmus thug that she later beats the holy crap out of (go POed!Alex).
They brought back the "Solar Flare" theme for the moment towards the climax of the episode where Kara had to forcibly stop the Hosnian transport ship from jumping into hyperspace, and I really enjoyed it; I do wish they'd had Kara be physically weaker, though, since it would've been a nice callback to the fact that she can in fact lose her powers if she's put under too much strain/has to exert an intense amount of effort. Having said that, though, I really enjoyed that entire sequence and love that we got another sweet "supersisters" moment where Alex is silently encouraging Kara through the ship's "bridge window".
Teri Hatcher and Kevin Sorbo making their debuts during the episode's coda was also fun, and confirms that the people that we saw earlier in the season at the conclusion of Medusa were Daxamites, which makes it kind of curious that they referred to one of their own - Mon-El - as formally as they did in conversation amongst themselves. I also found it kind of curious that it didn't seem to take long for Hatcher and Sorbo's characters, the King and Queen, to begin feeling the effects of Earth's yellow sun on their bodies as opposed to what happened with Mon-El, but maybe that's a function of the fact that he spent so many years stuck in a Kryptonian pod in the Well of Stars.
If @Christopher hadn't pointed it out, I wouldn't have remembered/realized that Kara's comment to Mon-El that "Supergirl is what I can do; Kara is who I am" was a paraphrased reprise of something from Lois and Clark, but I think it makes far more sense coming from Kara, especially as she's characterized in this show, than it does coming from Clark (even Dean Cain's Clark), since it's an affirmation of something that I've repeated in the past, which is that Kara doesn't actually technically have a 'secret identity' so much as she has three separate but interconnected identities that help define who she is.
I'm really intrigued to find out what next week's episode - and The Flash's Duet - is going to hold, especially since it results in the outing of Mon-El's secret past as the Daxamite Prince - and wish we didn't have to wait two weeks, but I'd rather have them take a break next week than have to wait more than a week to get to The Flash's episode, "Duet", which is also going to have some pretty big Karamel-related stuff in it.
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