STC Ep. 8: ???....

[feek61]

". . . the guidelines are a move to prevent the kind of excess that AP indulged in. . . The real issue is to avoid overt monetizing or profiting from fan projects.

I think it is important to point out that the entire run of STC cost less than half of what Axanar raised and spent. So, in the end you have STC who produced 11 full episodes and than you have Axanar that only produced a 20 min talking head green-screen / CGI piece and a short green-screen / CGI Vulcan scene. The fact that Axanar blew so much money on basically nothing and STC did everything they said they were going to do is quite telling. The comparison is staggering quite frankly and illustrates why CBS felt that they had to step in and do something about Axanar and implement guidelines to prevent the next AP.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Half hour Trek is totally possible. But nowadays they can't have the unlimited crowdfunding which every previous fan production (including STC) enjoyed.

 

[Phoenix219]

Unlimited, no.... but they are still suggestions, not rules. If an STC type production made a bridge and released a pilot, I'm sure they could eventually get away with stretch goals for more sets and episodes - just not until they prove their legitimacy, and not for awhile after the Axanar stench has time to fade. IMO, its about timing, integrity and results. STC just happens to have all 3. Half hour episodes would just be cutting out on filler, which is fine, unless CBS doesn't really care, as long as you aren't Alec Peters. And yes, Vic looks fantastic in the monster maroons - the guy embodies Kirk to me at this point, and he's approaching the right age to play a TMP era Kirk to perfection. If he's satisfied with finishing TOS, then awesome... but if that creative bug, or love for the part, still lingers there somewhere, with the clockwork precision machine that became the STC production crew, we couldn't hope for a better person to head up a true Phase II/Post TMP show.

 

[Phoenix219]

By the way, if no one has checked out the Futurama Fan Film, its ending is Vic monologuing as Zapp Brannigan, in the faux monster maroons, doing the Shatner, the parody coming full circle. Its awesome.

TPB should get an animated movie era show in production ASAP, with 3 impersonators and the existing original cast, before its too late. Give them all their chance....Even if Shatner will never play Kirk again, that doesn't mean he can't *voice* him....

 

[Danlav05]

TPB should get an animated movie era show in production ASAP, with 3 impersonators and the existing original cast, before its too late. Give them all their chance....Even if Shatner will never play Kirk again, that doesn't mean he can't *voice* him....

I'd love it but I doubt CBS will go for it Vic's parody of Kirk-as-Brannigan was a genius move though!

 

[drt]

Half hour Trek is totally possible. But nowadays they can't have the unlimited crowdfunding which every previous fan production (including STC) enjoyed.

Based on the comments from STC regarding the guidelines, I get the sense that crowdfunding was their main reason for stopping at eleven episodes.

I also think that CBS allowing $50k per 15m is being artificially magnanimous, since I have the feeling it's going to be difficult to get people to donate amounts that would let a production get close to that number for only 15m/30m of original content. Which probably makes sense, since the unlimited crowdfunding is basically what allowed fan films to get so big, and likely is what concerns CBS most.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Based on the comments from STC regarding the guidelines, I get the sense that crowdfunding was their main reason for stopping at eleven episodes.

I also think that CBS allowing $50k per 15m is being artificially magnanimous, since I have the feeling it's going to be difficult to get people to donate amounts that would let a production get close to that number for only 15m/30m of original content. Which probably makes sense, since the unlimited crowdfunding is basically what allowed fan films to get so big, and likely is what concerns CBS most.

Yes, in a post-Peters world. So it makes sense, if STC wants to show "deference and gratitude" to CBS, that they'd refrain from stirring things up with more fundraising that would give Axanar any popgun fodder.

 

[Phoenix219]

Right; they saw the writing on the wall and did their one last big fundraiser and made all of their promises based on that; if the fundraiser had gone a bit better, I'm sure we would be getting all 13. This way they can "complete what was promised/paid for" before the guidelines.

Like I said, it will take something like a self funded set creation and premiere, like STC did; most likely, a lot more private and off the books donations, and a slow pushing of the limits, based on response, over the next, oh, decade of slowly getting back to "normal", assuming there are no more Axanar's waiting in the wings.

Its a shame. Sigh.

Shatner, Takei, Nichols, Koenig and C. Doohan for TAS 2. Make it happen. SOMEONE. *PLEASE* ....

would a TAS without Spock and McCoy even feel like Trek? (debating in my head whether writing them out with (plot reasons) would be better then impersonations.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Shatner, Takei, Nichols, Koenig and C. Doohan for TAS 2. Make it happen. SOMEONE. *PLEASE* ....

would a TAS without Spock and McCoy even feel like Trek? (debating in my head whether writing them out with (plot reasons) would be better then impersonations.

In the idea's favor, Shatner and Takei wouldn't have to work together for voice acting.

 

[Danlav05]

Shatner, Takei, Nichols, Koenig and C. Doohan for TAS 2. Make it happen. SOMEONE. *PLEASE* ....

would a TAS without Spock and McCoy even feel like Trek? (debating in my head whether writing them out with (plot reasons) would be better then impersonations.

Or animated movies like they're doing at DC for Batman (including an Adam West revival)?

If they want to do a series they could get the audio from the 25th Anniversary/Judgement Rites games like fans are already trying; done in the early 90s with the whole cast. Plus the aborted Secret of Vulcan Fury. Maybe do it for CBS AA/Netflix

 

[Warped9]

Please, no monster maroons. I HATE those outfits.

 

[Firebird]

I wouldn't be opposed to the STC crew doing a couple TMP-era vignettes once the series is brought to a close. At the same time, I think I'll be satisfied with episode 11 being the end. Don't wanna go away from the Trek table too full of fanfilm buffet items.

 

[ChrisRBee]

Hi everyone, I'm curious: Did Vic Mignona ever comment on how he personally sees TAS? Since Roddenberry said it's not canon but CBS has reintegrated it into canon and many aspects of TAS have found their way into other incarnations of ST - including the holodeck in STC. So I would really like to hear Vic's thoughts on this.

 

[Warped9]

Hi everyone, I'm curious: Did Vic Mignona ever comment on how he personally sees TAS? Since Roddenberry said it's not canon but CBS has reintegrated it into canon and many aspects of TAS have found their way into other incarnations of ST - including the holodeck in STC. So I would really like to hear Vic's thoughts on this.

He did once remark about TAS because of a question posed to him about it. He said that while they liked TAS he felt that it didn't really fit with what they wanted to do. Also there is the fact that a lot of what was done in TAS could not have been done live-action because of TOS' budget and f/x constraints.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

James Kerwin has spoken on this also, to the effect that the events in TAS are not considered part of the canon for STC's purposes. Still, I don't think there's been anything in STC thus far that directly contradicts TAS, so I'm happy to think they could coexist in theory.

 

[Firebird]

James Kerwin has spoken on this also, to the effect that the events in TAS are not considered part of the canon for STC's purposes. Still, I don't think there's been anything in STC thus far that directly contradicts TAS, so I'm happy to think they could coexist in theory.

There's only 3 episodes of TAS (The Pirates of Orion, The Counter-Clock Incident, and Bem) that take place after the first 7 STC episodes, anyway, so any new characters or plotlines introduced by STC doesn't conflict, either. I think they can coexist in the same continuity just fine.

 

[The Laughing Vulcan]

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[DarKush]

Hi everyone, I'm curious: Did Vic Mignona ever comment on how he personally sees TAS? Since Roddenberry said it's not canon but CBS has reintegrated it into canon and many aspects of TAS have found their way into other incarnations of ST - including the holodeck in STC. So I would really like to hear Vic's thoughts on this.

When did CBS reintegrate TAS into canon? I know that some aspects of TAS have been canonized in shows like DS9 and ENT, but I didn't know that all of TAS was canon now.

 

[Danlav05]

It's interesting to hear Vic talk about how the final episodes will dovetail into TMP and tslk about Kirks promoting/ Spock resigning etc

 

[Warped9]

It is what it is, but I'm not keen on that. It's simply too much foreshadowing when that would have been essentially impossible during TOS. It's too much conventional fan service where everything has to be referenced and tied together.

Whatever.