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Honestly, I can at least enjoy the OT because it feels like a self-contained story rather than constantly increasing the overpowered reason to keep the story going

This is one of the reasons why I'm glad in canon they've made it so the war ends about a year after Endor, instead of the EU's version it persisted for *decades* with near total victories by the Empire repeatedly undone at a stroke. Seriously, how many times did they loose and retake Coruscant?!

This way it seems like the action of the OT actually had an impact as it set the stage for the generation of relative peace that followed. You can still tell stories in this period, but more personal, smaller scale stories, not the big epic space opera kind which are best saved for the saga movies anyway.

For the immediate aftermath I can see a series of books and/or comics in a similar vein as the old X-Wing series featuring a cast of characters fighting hold-outs, warlords and underworld groups taking advantage of the chaos and power vacuum. There's also potential for political intrigue/espionage stories about hunting down war criminals, collaborators and unaccounted for POWs.

Later on down the line when things are more stable there's always the potential to tell bits and pieces of Luke's attempt to rebuild the Jedi (though we'll probably have to wait for Ep VIII or IX to spill some of the beans first.) Similarly a story set entirely from the First Order's perspective to fill in some gaps between Aftermath & TFA.
A relatively peaceful galaxy opens up the potential for lighter more adventurous/fantasy fare. Stories of exploring the unknown, charting new systems, encountering pirates, vagabonds and maybe uncovering some very old, long forgotten mysteries.

I'd take any and all of that over the endless cycle of crazy super-weapons, the Solo kids being kidnapped every other week, isolated crises that have no long term consequences or do anything to advance the characters.
The NJO was fucking better than the OT. Anyone who disagrees either has an axe to grind, is stupid, evil or all three.
And with those two sentences, you render anything else you have to say on the subject utterly irrelevant. Bravo!
 
This is one of the reasons why I'm glad in canon they've made it so the war ends about a year after Endor, instead of the EU's version it persisted for *decades* with near total victories by the Empire repeatedly undone at a stroke. Seriously, how many times did they loose and retake Coruscant?!

This way it seems like the action of the OT actually had an impact as it set the stage for the generation of relative peace that followed. You can still tell stories in this period, but more personal, smaller scale stories, not the big epic space opera kind which are best saved for the saga movies anyway.

For the immediate aftermath I can see a series of books and/or comics in a similar vein as the old X-Wing series featuring a cast of characters fighting hold-outs, warlords and underworld groups taking advantage of the chaos and power vacuum. There's also potential for political intrigue/espionage stories about hunting down war criminals, collaborators and unaccounted for POWs.

Later on down the line when things are more stable there's always the potential to tell bits and pieces of Luke's attempt to rebuild the Jedi (though we'll probably have to wait for Ep VIII or IX to spill some of the beans first.) Similarly a story set entirely from the First Order's perspective to fill in some gaps between Aftermath & TFA.
A relatively peaceful galaxy opens up the potential for lighter more adventurous/fantasy fare. Stories of exploring the unknown, charting new systems, encountering pirates, vagabonds and maybe uncovering some very old, long forgotten mysteries.

I'd take any and all of that over the endless cycle of crazy super-weapons, the Solo kids being kidnapped every other week, isolated crises that have no long term consequences or do anything to advance the characters.

And with those two sentences, you render anything else you have to say on the subject utterly irrelevant. Bravo!
A 22 year war is far more interesting than Canon sorry. Oh and there was consequences a plenty two major characters die in the NJO-Chewbacca and Anakin Solo, one character is greatly affected which leads to the later series(even though I disagreed with it) Jacen. Jaina meets her husband in the NJO-Jag.

The Yevetha crisis resulted in the Yevetha being blockaded by the Nr and later exterminated by the Vong, the Corellian parries for independence in the bantam era tie nicely with LOTF.

Really you don't know much about the old eu do you. Besides mindless cliches and regurgitated BS IO9 spouts every other Saturday.
 
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A 22 year war is far more interesting than Canon sorry. Oh and there was consequences a plenty two major characters die in the NJO-Chewbacca and Anakin Solo, one character is greatly affected which leads to the later series(even though I disagreed with it) Jacen. Jaina meets her husband in the NJO-Jag.

The Yevetha crisis resulted in the Yevetha being blockaded by the Nr and later exterminated by the Vong, the Corellian parries for independence in the bantam era tie nicely with LOTF.

Really you don't know much about the old eu do you. Besides mindless cliches and regurgitated BS IO9 spouts every other Saturday.
A couple of points. One, a 22 year long war does not automatically make the story more interesting, due to the tendency of writers to create odd coincidences, powers or recycled plots. Secondly, killing off characters also does not make a good story. In my opinion, the death of Chewbacca was needless and done purely for shock value. Again, not the foundation for a good story.

Finally, the films are a more interesting story from a canon point of view, so I prefer them. YMMV.
 
Huh, I grew up reading the novels, and found the ESB one, in particular, to be quite an enjoyable read, even more so that the film, for the most part. The ANH novel was a little less enjoyable, and ROTJ was just ok. I loved the PT novels, far more than the films themselves in terms of characterization, but the ESB novel still holds a special place for me.

I read them as a kid too, though I'm not sure I grew up on them as it was only once or twice, but as an adult I just don't find them to be very good books. Star Wars will probably always work better in film than in print. Even in the greatest EU the space battles don't have the punch of a battle like Yavin or Endor. Reading some author trying his best to explain a space battle isn't quite as exciting as actually seeing X-Wings in action backed by John Williams' score. But, at least until recently, we didn't get Star Wars movies cranked out on an assembly line and the EU was the best alternative to nothing. The novelizations on the other hand work as interesting supplemental material at best. You pick up some tidbits here and there that you don't learn in the movie, though that's not as important nowadays as it was back in the day, just about everything about Star Wars is on Wookieepedia. But back then you had to scrounge through novelizations and RPG reference material to find out a lot of this stuff, and half of it ended up being wrong anyway.

Which brings me to my other problem with the novelizations. While it is interesting to read about what may be going through a characters' mind at any given time in the film it's hard to tell how much of it is what George intended and how much of it is the whim of the author. Then on top of that there's all the stuff that's just wrong, either because George hadn't worked something out yet or because he had and Lucasfilm didn't bother to tell the author. It's funny to read a lot of that early EU stuff because so much of it focuses on a romance or sexual tension between Luke and Leia. Spinter Of The Mind's Eye, the ANH and ESB novelizations and the Marvel Comics are all filled with it. Especially the latter, whoever was running things over there must have been hardcore "Team Luke" because even Leia's declaration of love in ESB didn't deter them. They jumped right out of the film adaptation into trying to cram Luke/Leia together again. It's funny and interesting stuff to read as a fan, takes you back to a time when all this stuff was still up in the air and people had no clue what was coming. Or seemingly had a hard time believing it when they see it as the Marvel people seemed pretty skeptical about Vader really being Luke's father. Or maybe they were just butthurt as many of their issues ended up with serious errors in canon/continuity thanks to that twist.

And I had a lot of other small gripes about them. ROTJ was my least favorite, while it did provide some interesting insight into Luke and Vader's mindset I was once again left wondering if the source could be trusted. And it seemed like the author was very fond of recycling lines from the first two movies into this one. Things like tehno-jargon and banter between Rebel pilots were lifted straight from earlier films. So I'm reading ROTJ and I suddenly stop and think, that's a line from ANH. I don't really blame the authors though, these weren't really the best conditions to work under. Adapting another man's film vision into book form, doing so without having seen the movie, and left to fill in a lot of blanks that the filmmaker could completely undo as he continues the franchise. They're not terrible but not great, I'd say they're better than they probably should be given the circumstances.
 
Finished up Empire's End today. Largely meh, though easily the best of the Aftermath trilogy, for whatever that's worth. This one did a much better job with the characters that comprise the team that's been the centre of this series, and while I do give a bit more of a damn about a few of them, I still don't feel a compelling need to revisit them. Although, I do like quite a bit how things worked out for Sloane in the end.
The NJO was fucking better than the OT. Anyone who disagrees either has an axe to grind, is stupid, evil or all three.
I'm glad to know where we stand on this matter.
 
I read them as a kid too, though I'm not sure I grew up on them as it was only once or twice, but as an adult I just don't find them to be very good books. Star Wars will probably always work better in film than in print. Even in the greatest EU the space battles don't have the punch of a battle like Yavin or Endor. Reading some author trying his best to explain a space battle isn't quite as exciting as actually seeing X-Wings in action backed by John Williams' score. But, at least until recently, we didn't get Star Wars movies cranked out on an assembly line and the EU was the best alternative to nothing. The novelizations on the other hand work as interesting supplemental material at best. You pick up some tidbits here and there that you don't learn in the movie, though that's not as important nowadays as it was back in the day, just about everything about Star Wars is on Wookieepedia. But back then you had to scrounge through novelizations and RPG reference material to find out a lot of this stuff, and half of it ended up being wrong anyway.

Which brings me to my other problem with the novelizations. While it is interesting to read about what may be going through a characters' mind at any given time in the film it's hard to tell how much of it is what George intended and how much of it is the whim of the author. Then on top of that there's all the stuff that's just wrong, either because George hadn't worked something out yet or because he had and Lucasfilm didn't bother to tell the author. It's funny to read a lot of that early EU stuff because so much of it focuses on a romance or sexual tension between Luke and Leia. Spinter Of The Mind's Eye, the ANH and ESB novelizations and the Marvel Comics are all filled with it. Especially the latter, whoever was running things over there must have been hardcore "Team Luke" because even Leia's declaration of love in ESB didn't deter them. They jumped right out of the film adaptation into trying to cram Luke/Leia together again. It's funny and interesting stuff to read as a fan, takes you back to a time when all this stuff was still up in the air and people had no clue what was coming. Or seemingly had a hard time believing it when they see it as the Marvel people seemed pretty skeptical about Vader really being Luke's father. Or maybe they were just butthurt as many of their issues ended up with serious errors in canon/continuity thanks to that twist.

And I had a lot of other small gripes about them. ROTJ was my least favorite, while it did provide some interesting insight into Luke and Vader's mindset I was once again left wondering if the source could be trusted. And it seemed like the author was very fond of recycling lines from the first two movies into this one. Things like tehno-jargon and banter between Rebel pilots were lifted straight from earlier films. So I'm reading ROTJ and I suddenly stop and think, that's a line from ANH. I don't really blame the authors though, these weren't really the best conditions to work under. Adapting another man's film vision into book form, doing so without having seen the movie, and left to fill in a lot of blanks that the filmmaker could completely undo as he continues the franchise. They're not terrible but not great, I'd say they're better than they probably should be given the circumstances.
Must be the nostalgia factor for me, but I enjoyed them as just their own thing. I guess its hard for me to take it in as parts of the whole without filtering them through the lens of the films. I liked ESB the most because it actually shed more light on the ground troops at Hoth and their feelings against the Imperial war machines, Luke's training is more detailed, and Dagobah feels more fleshed out.

Certainly they have their issues, but taken as complimentary pieces to the films, I find them quite enjoyable.
 
Finished up Empire's End today. Largely meh, though easily the best of the Aftermath trilogy, for whatever that's worth. This one did a much better job with the characters that comprise the team that's been the centre of this series, and while I do give a bit more of a damn about a few of them, I still don't feel a compelling need to revisit them. Although, I do like quite a bit how things worked out for Sloane in the end.
Pretty much my thoughts on the trilogy as a whole, too. I did like Sinjir, but the rest of the "heroes" weren't very interesting. I particularly hope we don't see any of the Wexleys again. Ugh.
 
Well, Snap is in the Poe Dameron comic series, and I wouldn't be surprised if he pops up in other stories set around TFA.
I read them as a kid too, though I'm not sure I grew up on them as it was only once or twice, but as an adult I just don't find them to be very good books. Star Wars will probably always work better in film than in print. Even in the greatest EU the space battles don't have the punch of a battle like Yavin or Endor. Reading some author trying his best to explain a space battle isn't quite as exciting as actually seeing X-Wings in action backed by John Williams' score. But, at least until recently, we didn't get Star Wars movies cranked out on an assembly line and the EU was the best alternative to nothing. The novelizations on the other hand work as interesting supplemental material at best. You pick up some tidbits here and there that you don't learn in the movie, though that's not as important nowadays as it was back in the day, just about everything about Star Wars is on Wookieepedia. But back then you had to scrounge through novelizations and RPG reference material to find out a lot of this stuff, and half of it ended up being wrong anyway.

Which brings me to my other problem with the novelizations. While it is interesting to read about what may be going through a characters' mind at any given time in the film it's hard to tell how much of it is what George intended and how much of it is the whim of the author. Then on top of that there's all the stuff that's just wrong, either because George hadn't worked something out yet or because he had and Lucasfilm didn't bother to tell the author. It's funny to read a lot of that early EU stuff because so much of it focuses on a romance or sexual tension between Luke and Leia. Spinter Of The Mind's Eye, the ANH and ESB novelizations and the Marvel Comics are all filled with it. Especially the latter, whoever was running things over there must have been hardcore "Team Luke" because even Leia's declaration of love in ESB didn't deter them. They jumped right out of the film adaptation into trying to cram Luke/Leia together again. It's funny and interesting stuff to read as a fan, takes you back to a time when all this stuff was still up in the air and people had no clue what was coming. Or seemingly had a hard time believing it when they see it as the Marvel people seemed pretty skeptical about Vader really being Luke's father. Or maybe they were just butthurt as many of their issues ended up with serious errors in canon/continuity thanks to that twist.

And I had a lot of other small gripes about them. ROTJ was my least favorite, while it did provide some interesting insight into Luke and Vader's mindset I was once again left wondering if the source could be trusted. And it seemed like the author was very fond of recycling lines from the first two movies into this one. Things like tehno-jargon and banter between Rebel pilots were lifted straight from earlier films. So I'm reading ROTJ and I suddenly stop and think, that's a line from ANH. I don't really blame the authors though, these weren't really the best conditions to work under. Adapting another man's film vision into book form, doing so without having seen the movie, and left to fill in a lot of blanks that the filmmaker could completely undo as he continues the franchise. They're not terrible but not great, I'd say they're better than they probably should be given the circumstances.
I seem to feel the complete opposite way you do about novelizations. Now I haven't read the OT novels, but in general I want the books to have as much new or different stuff as the author can possibly get in there. For me the whole appeal of a novelization is being able to get a deeper version of the story with scenes and other stuff we didn't get in the movie version. If I want the exact same thing I got in the theater/on Blu-Ray/Netflix, then I'll just watch the movie, so I need something to make it worth the extra time/money for me to buy and read the book.
 
I seem to feel the complete opposite way you do about novelizations. Now I haven't read the OT novels, but in general I want the books to have as much new or different stuff as the author can possibly get in there. For me the whole appeal of a novelization is being able to get a deeper version of the story with scenes and other stuff we didn't get in the movie version. If I want the exact same thing I got in the theater/on Blu-Ray/Netflix, then I'll just watch the movie, so I need something to make it worth the extra time/money for me to buy and read the book.

I didn't want the novelizations to be an exact copy of the movie, the opposite actually, as I said the difference were the main point of interest. It's why I wasn't all that excited to read them again, I didn't figure the novelizations would add much that I couldn't get from the movies. The differences were interesting but in a Star Wars fandom/history context instead of actually adding much to the stories. And so much of what the authors added in would end up being undone by the next film, or a lot of times by the actual film they were adapting. Like the famous Blue Yoda from the ESB novelization and almost made it into the Marvel adaptation if it were not for a last minute change. Not a big deal, easy to chalk up to "production" and just continue reading, but I think it illustrates how in the dark these third party writers of Star Wars media were. As a result the stuff they add usually has to be taken with a huge grain of salt, or more often than not just ignored entirely. It's no big deal, I knew what I was getting myself into ahead of time I just didn't find it to be real memorable reading experience.

I guess what would probably be better than these novelizations, and I don't know maybe there's something like it out there, would be new novelizations which were written with the full understanding of the story that we have now that all the facts have been established. By a writer who isn't in the dark. Not just about the motives and relationships, but these characters have been so fleshed out over the years that a writer today would probably be able to write better inner-dialogue for these characters. A lot of the early writing had moments or thoughts that seem very un-Luke or un-Han, but they didn't have a lot to go on back then. They'd seen one movie, two movies, or in the case of the ANH novelization NO movies. Not a very large sample size to understand the characters.
 
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Well, Snap is in the Poe Dameron comic series, and I wouldn't be surprised if he pops up in other stories set around TFA.
Okay, fair point. I don't recall Snap bugging me in the comic, so I guess I mean either young Snap or at least Snap as written by Chuck Wendig. :lol:
 
Of the novelizations, probably RotS is the best one in terms of how it delivers the films materials. That novel might be better than the movie in places. I love the prologue simply because of how to tells the reader about the Clone Wars and how it is effecting the people of the Republic, and how the children are the one who have hope still. About how Palpatine's been taken captive by the Separatists and the adults think things are lost and fearful, but the children say it will be alright, because Skywalker and Kenobi will be there. And that the children are right.

Add to that the better detail of at least the first lightsaber duel from Count Dooku's point of view, and the continuing threat of what it is like to be Anakin Skywalker at any given point in the book....up to the point were he has lost everything and he knows now, it is his fault. The shadow swallowing the light for there is always a shadow when there is light, and when the light goes out there is only shadow. But the shadow can be pushed back by only a single candle....Hope.
 
Of the novelizations, probably RotS is the best one in terms of how it delivers the films materials. That novel might be better than the movie in places. I love the prologue simply because of how to tells the reader about the Clone Wars and how it is effecting the people of the Republic, and how the children are the one who have hope still. About how Palpatine's been taken captive by the Separatists and the adults think things are lost and fearful, but the children say it will be alright, because Skywalker and Kenobi will be there. And that the children are right.

Add to that the better detail of at least the first lightsaber duel from Count Dooku's point of view, and the continuing threat of what it is like to be Anakin Skywalker at any given point in the book....up to the point were he has lost everything and he knows now, it is his fault. The shadow swallowing the light for there is always a shadow when there is light, and when the light goes out there is only shadow. But the shadow can be pushed back by only a single candle....Hope.
Matthew Stover is the best!
 
I didn't want the novelizations to be an exact copy of the movie, the opposite actually, as I said the difference were the main point of interest.

I feel the same way. I seem to remember Foster having the ISD blow different pieces off the Blockade Runner ( the solar panel --not seen in the film).

It seems more grounded.
 
Of the novelizations, probably RotS is the best one in terms of how it delivers the films materials. That novel might be better than the movie in places. I love the prologue simply because of how to tells the reader about the Clone Wars and how it is effecting the people of the Republic, and how the children are the one who have hope still. About how Palpatine's been taken captive by the Separatists and the adults think things are lost and fearful, but the children say it will be alright, because Skywalker and Kenobi will be there. And that the children are right.

Add to that the better detail of at least the first lightsaber duel from Count Dooku's point of view, and the continuing threat of what it is like to be Anakin Skywalker at any given point in the book....up to the point were he has lost everything and he knows now, it is his fault. The shadow swallowing the light for there is always a shadow when there is light, and when the light goes out there is only shadow. But the shadow can be pushed back by only a single candle....Hope.
What's so interesting about the novel is that it gives such insight in to the bad guys' plans as well as their rationale. Count Dooku was the most interesting to me, given it's more racial undertones, as well as the Separatists leaders response to General Grievous. Also, the different discussions of shadow and light, and how impossible the dark seems to overcome.

Of the novels, I would rank ESB, TPM and ROTS highest (in no particular order, mind you) in the PT and OT. I haven't read the TFA novel all the way through, but I like the appeal.

I think the main thing that works so well for me in these novels, and not the NJO novels, is that there are ideas and concepts that are presented in film, and then expanded in the novels. The NJO struggled to grab me because it relied upon a protracted war point of view because "Star WARS."
 
What's so interesting about the novel is that it gives such insight in to the bad guys' plans as well as their rationale. Count Dooku was the most interesting to me, given it's more racial undertones, as well as the Separatists leaders response to General Grievous. Also, the different discussions of shadow and light, and how impossible the dark seems to overcome.

Of the novels, I would rank ESB, TPM and ROTS highest (in no particular order, mind you) in the PT and OT. I haven't read the TFA novel all the way through, but I like the appeal.

I think the main thing that works so well for me in these novels, and not the NJO novels, is that there are ideas and concepts that are presented in film, and then expanded in the novels. The NJO struggled to grab me because it relied upon a protracted war point of view because "Star WARS."

Yeah, I thought ESB was the best of the bunch, but from what I can tell it's generally considered the worst. The only PT novelization I read was TPM and I barely remember anything about it, I read it around the time the movie came out. I recall something about Anakin taking care of a wounded Tusken Raider or something like that.

By the way, a little off-topic but I noticed that Barnes And Noble (along with the Star Wars volume my brother got me) has a nice looking Star Trek book which apparently novelizes a bunch of episodes. Has anybody checked it out and is it good?
 
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By the way, a little off-topic but I noticed that Barnes And Noble (along with the Star Wars volume my brother got me) has a nice looking Star Trek book which apparently novelizes a bunch of episodes. Has anybody checked it out and is it good?

It's a collected volume of James Blish's adaptations of TOS episodes which were released in smaller paperback volumes from the late '60s well into the '70s. These were an absolute staple of Trek fandom at the time. There are noticeable differences in several of the adaptations, since in the earlier volumes Blish was working from early draft scripts of the episodes. He also did some of his own exposition which does not always jibe with later canon Trek. But I find that perfectly OK, since to me, TOS is the only Trek that counts.

While this collected volume is quite nice, I prefer the original paperbacks due to their fantastic cover illustrations, and because I love vintage paperback books.

Kor
 
It's a collected volume of James Blish's adaptations of TOS episodes which were released in smaller paperback volumes from the late '60s well into the '70s. These were an absolute staple of Trek fandom at the time. There are noticeable differences in several of the adaptations, since in the earlier volumes Blish was working from early draft scripts of the episodes. He also did some of his own exposition which does not always jibe with later canon Trek. But I find that perfectly OK, since to me, TOS is the only Trek that counts.

While this collected volume is quite nice, I prefer the original paperbacks due to their fantastic cover illustrations, and because I love vintage paperback books.

Kor

Thanks bud, sounds interesting so I'll probably check it out. I've always been a Trek watcher and not reader, I've read one Trek book in my life. I just assumed B&N hired somebody to adapt some episodes into book form so they could sell it as one of their special editions. I like old paperbacks too but my collection is pretty small. I have a lot of paperbacks but not many of those cool old 60's/70's/80's variety. and all the ones I have are James Bond and Star Wars for the most part.
 
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I didn't want the novelizations to be an exact copy of the movie, the opposite actually, as I said the difference were the main point of interest. It's why I wasn't all that excited to read them again, I didn't figure the novelizations would add much that I couldn't get from the movies. The differences were interesting but in a Star Wars fandom/history context instead of actually adding much to the stories. And so much of what the authors added in would end up being undone by the next film, or a lot of times by the actual film they were adapting. Like the famous Blue Yoda from the ESB novelization and almost made it into the Marvel adaptation if it were not for a last minute change. Not a big deal, easy to chalk up to "production" and just continue reading, but I think it illustrates how in the dark these third party writers of Star Wars media were. As a result the stuff they add usually has to be taken with a huge grain of salt, or more often than not just ignored entirely. It's no big deal, I knew what I was getting myself into ahead of time I just didn't find it to be real memorable reading experience.

I guess what would probably be better than these novelizations, and I don't know maybe there's something like it out there, would be new novelizations which were written with the full understanding of the story that we have now that all the facts have been established. By a writer who isn't in the dark. Not just about the motives and relationships, but these characters have been so fleshed out over the years that a writer today would probably be able to write better inner-dialogue for these characters. A lot of the early writing had moments or thoughts that seem very un-Luke or un-Han, but they didn't have a lot to go on back then. They'd seen one movie, two movies, or in the case of the ANH novelization NO movies. Not a very large sample size to understand the characters.
I haven't read them, but they did release a new set of YA OT novelizations during the lead up to TFA.
A New Hope: The Princess, The Scoundrel, and the Farm Boy
The Empire Strikes Back: So You Want to be a Jedi?
Return of the Jedi: Beware the Power of the Dark Side
 
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