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A Lit-verse based TOS chronology

The whole job of tie-ins is to tie in -- to supplement a series by telling additional stories that could have happened in its reality. If our goal were to tell stories in a differing reality, we'd be writing original fiction. Sometimes there are parts of the series reality that we aren't free to mention directly, but we still have to set our stories in the same reality. And that means we can't contradict those parts, just work around them and focus on the other parts instead.
 
The Abrams situation is different, and much more clear cut: We're not supposed to reference anything put forth in the Abrams films, period. So far as current novels go, those movies don't exist. Whether that changes remains to be seen, but it's not like the topic hasn't come up. :)

Good, so Old Vulcan/Man Spock IS alive and well and so Romulus ;)
 
Why is VOY 3.5 years behind? I'm having issues with that and no answers, yet.
Why shouldn't it? Unlike the other 24th century series Voyager is written by only one author and the Voyager story is a lot more serialized than for example TNG, so it makes sense that there aren't two in-universe years without anything relevant happening to the Voyager crew. In the end it probably all comes down to KMFB's preferences. (Also, the other two major time jumps, New Frontier and DS9 relaunch, aren't exactly considered the best part of their respective series.)
If I may ask, why do you have issues with that?
 
Why is VOY 3.5 years behind? I'm having issues with that and no answers, yet.
Because it fits the pacing of the story, and how other authors choose to pace their works shouldn't be a hard requirement for how Beyer chooses to pace hers.

You might as well ask why the other 24th century works zoomed 3.5 years ahead.

Good, so Old Vulcan/Man Spock IS alive and well and so Romulus ;)

Well of course they are. It's no further than 2386 in current novels after all. :p
 
The Abrams situation is different, and much more clear cut: We're not supposed to reference anything put forth in the Abrams films, period. So far as current novels go, those movies don't exist. Whether that changes remains to be seen, but it's not like the topic hasn't come up. :)

Haven't there been some really suitable references to the Kelvinverse in some of the books and given what happened in Armageddons Arrow, I have a pet theory about who, but not exactly how the Romulan issue will be addressed.
 
Because it fits the pacing of the story, and how other authors choose to pace their works shouldn't be a hard requirement for how Beyer chooses to pace hers.

You might as well ask why the other 24th century works zoomed 3.5 years ahead.



Well of course they are. It's no further than 2386 in current novels after all. :p
So let's ask the question: Why are the TNG, TTN and DS9 novels 3.5 years ahead? My thinking and feeling is that the Novelverse should be in sync. It's just my opinion, but I'm sure others have the same thought. If so, shouldn't other 24th c. series stay in 2386 and wait for VOY to catch up? Of course, this is not meant to rush Beyer or any future VOY writers, nor is it meant to stop other 24th c. novels from being written. A 3.5 year gap is a long time and I could see 15-20 novels written for VOY to fill it. Unfortunately, it wouldn't get to the sync point were that to happen. The gap would be reduced by as much as 2.5 years, but by that time VOY would still be a year (~ 5 novels) behind in the timeline (2388 for VOY, 2389 for others). At the very least, allow the gap to close while still writing for all series.
 
Would you also consider it "out of sync" when a new novel is set before a previously published one, as with Ascendance which for the most part was set before the previously published Sight Unseen?
 
So let's ask the question: Why are the TNG, TTN and DS9 novels 3.5 years ahead? My thinking and feeling is that the Novelverse should be in sync. It's just my opinion, but I'm sure others have the same thought.

Based on what, though? Like, why are you sure that others have the same thought? At least, I'm assuming you mean "others" as in "many others", and not as in "some nonzero amount of people"; if it's the latter, then okay, yeah, probably.

But we've told you in this thread already that twice before editorial had thought "these books should all be in sync", did a time-jump in a series to allow for it, and the general audience hated it both times. There's no reason for the timeline to be in sync if it doesn't have to. In fact, Voyager has actually taken advantage of the fact that it wasn't in sync at least once by having Q passingly mention events that hadn't happened yet to another Q as a demonstration of his atemporality.
 
But we've told you in this thread already that twice before editorial had thought "these books should all be in sync", did a time-jump in a series to allow for it, and the general audience hated it both times.
But there was at least one good time jump, Full Circle from 2378 to 2381. I think the problem itself isn't necessarily the time jump. The problem with the original DS9 relaunch's and NF's time jumps was that both took place at a point where the series were liked (well, except for the last two DS9 novels which IIRC weren't all that popular) and the readers were familiar with the characters and liked them. The first four VGR books also weren't all that popular, so there wasn't all that much character dynamics that poeple would get mad at KMFB for changing as was the case with many DS9 characters like Dax. Not that there's something wrong with character progression, it's just that actually seeing the progression is way better than being told that these characters miraculously changed. I guess that would be supported by the first NF time jump, which was a literal in-universe time jump. From what I've heard there weren't a lot of people upset about that as the characters didn't change (and personally my favorite NF novels are those between the two time jumps).

And of course the VGR time jump had a whole book devoted to the three years, DS9 and NF just reintroduced us to the characters.

There's no reason for the timeline to be in sync if it doesn't have to. In fact, Voyager has actually taken advantage of the fact that it wasn't in sync at least once by having Q passingly mention events that hadn't happened yet to another Q as a demonstration of his atemporality.
I wasn't a fan of that as I haven't read the foreshadowed books at the time I read that Voyager book...
 
But there was at least one good time jump, Full Circle from 2378 to 2381. I think the problem itself isn't necessarily the time jump. The problem with the original DS9 relaunch's and NF's time jumps both took place at a point where the series were liked (well, except for the last two DS9 novels which IIRC weren't all that popular) and the readers were familiar with and liked the characters . The first four VGR books also weren't all that popular, so there wasn't all that much character dynamics KMFB could change as was the case with many DS9 characters like Dax.

That's true, and I think you're right that the low view of the Voyager relaunch up to that point probably helped as well. But I think there's also a significant difference there in that it wasn't a time jump so much as a time acceleration. The events in question weren't skipped over either in-universe (as with NF) or out-of-universe (as with DS9), we just got rushed through them to cover the gap.

I wasn't a fan of that as I haven't read the foreshadowed books at the time I read that Voyager book...

Haha, fair. :p
 
That's true, and I think you're right that the low view of the Voyager relaunch up to that point probably helped as well. But I think there's also a significant difference there in that it wasn't a time jump so much as a time acceleration. The events in question weren't skipped over either in-universe (as with NF) or out-of-universe (as with DS9), we just got rushed through them to cover the gap.
Good point. If anything the time jumps have given us something interesting to talk about. :)

Haha, fair. :p
But in retrospect it may not have been the worst thing. IIRC The Eternal Tide mentioned
Andor having left the Federation and alluded Bacco not being in office anymore.
I had a pretty good idea about in which novel the first thing would happend, but the second thing made every scene featuring that character a lot more tense. I learned of her demise later on Memory Beta, including the novel it took place in, and that made the whole scenes leading up to that way more thrilling.
 
While I can understand the argument about keeping things in line with each other, I don't think it needs to be that way. If Voyager is a couple of years behind, it doesn't really matter to me. I am a fan of the books and am going to read them anyway.

I consider it a special treat that this group of authors, editors, and story tellers have been able to carry the trek universe forward in such a substantial way following Nemesis. The beauty of it is.....I took a bit of a break from reading trek books over the last several years. Oh I read a few, but I was generally aware that everything was starting to be tied together, and was sort "saving up". Well, since August I have been on quite the run, reading...catching up on all of the treklit from the early 2000s. I am STILL not caught up. Getting close. In a month, maybe two, I will be able to start knocking off a lot of the post Nemesis books.....lets just say keeping everything together has given me a monumental task. I like the idea of everything being tied together....but if there are a couple of strands out there that are not 100% linked to where the rest of the books are....its okay with me.
 
One other thing to keep in mind with the VGR books is that they are pretty much disconnected from the rest of the books, with the majority of them taking place in the Delta Quadrant. I think that helps keep the time gap from a problem since being mostly so far away gives them a lot of freedom to do their own thing.
 
So...I just finished the SCE story....Paradise Interrupted and I am trying to think back to when I was reading many of the DS9 relaunch books when they originally came out. I'll check my notes as well....but did one of the Worlds of DS9 Books reference the problems unfolding on Risa during Paradise Interrupted? With so many of the stories being connected, etc, I may be "mis-remembering", but seems like there was a reference?
 
So...I just finished the SCE story....Paradise Interrupted and I am trying to think back to when I was reading many of the DS9 relaunch books when they originally came out. I'll check my notes as well....but did one of the Worlds of DS9 Books reference the problems unfolding on Risa during Paradise Interrupted? With so many of the stories being connected, etc, I may be "mis-remembering", but seems like there was a reference?

I just did a quick search through them; outside the scenes with Zek on Risa in the Ferenginar one, I don't see any significant references at all (one or two mentions of the planet at best in the other five), and none of the Zek scenes have any mention of those troubles either that I could spot.
 
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