"Hey, I never noticed that before...." (TNG edition)

[Joshua C.]

Of course the Federation President in STVI has his office in Ten Forward, with some big white curtains barely disguising the windows. Also in Nemesis, odd panel partitions again only somewhat disguise the Engine Room set. And while we're throwing around trivia that most of us probably know...

The bajoran religious wall medallion is made up of the Botany Bay model, repeating around a spiral, The TNG shuttlebay doors aren't angled properly, and I believe the only time anyone ever walks into Ent D bathroom is when others are rushing to battle stations during Yesterday's Enterprise. When ya gotta go...

 

[tharpdevenport]

I jsut realized something I'd never realized before about an episode. I thought it would fit in this thread.


In "Cause and Effect" Data says about the voices (bolding mine):

"Most of it is quite ordinary. One hundred twenty-five discussions about ship operations, two hundred fifty-seven conversations of a personal nature, five couples engaged in romantic encounters..."


And we know they isolated segments from the time whispers from various parts of the events leading up to the destruction of the Enterprise.

I know it's reasonable that these couples were engaging in romantic encounters during normal operatiosn, but since the audio is from the whole of the events, right up to the explosion, it opens the door for the possibility that these couples were engaged in cliched end of the world sex.

 

[Vasquez Rocks]

To be fair, I didn't notice this myself, I found it pointed out in a Youtube video.

In "The Chase", Picard's archeology friend gives him this priceless old artifact that Picard is amazed by and how it's intact.

Image:
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s6/6x20/thumb_thechase018.jpg


Cut to "Star Trek: Generations" where Picard and Riker are rummaging through the rubble. Picard finds that priceless historical artifact from his dead friend. He looks at it, then just puts it down real fast like it's a worthless piece of crap so he can get the really important thing: an old book from his ready room. Now, you can argue the book is old and certainly a historial artifact Picard would want to save and I certainly wouldn't disagree, but he beams out with only the book.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

Fuck the priceless artifact from his dead friend. Guess he got over that initial excitment about it in less than a year.

If you look closely the book is actually Picard's family photo album. The one from earlier in the film and it kind of goes nicely with the dialog in the scene about what we leave behind isn't as important as how we've lived. Although I do kind of cringe when he tosses aside the priceless artifact especially knowing it's history from The Chase.lol

 

[Mojochi]

Seeing Majel with dark eyes was a tip off...

Being that I hadn't known who Sirtis was, & that she looked rather Middle Eastern, I admit I just assumed that those were her natural eyes as well, & then when I saw Majel, who I had remembered as Chapel, I figured they gave her contacts so she'd better resemble the actress playing her daughter. Never even occurred to me until years later that all Betazoids had them. It was a rewatch of Tin Man with that guy from Dear John, Harry Groener, that tipped me off. I knew that ginger dude didn't have big black eyes, & they REALLY stand out on him too

 

[Prax]

Being that I hadn't known who Sirtis was, & that she looked rather Middle Eastern, I admit I just assumed that those were her natural eyes as well, & then when I saw Majel, who I had remembered as Chapel, I figured they gave her contacts so she'd better resemble the actress playing her daughter. Never even occurred to me until years later that all Betazoids had them. It was a rewatch of Tin Man with that guy from Dear John, Harry Groener, that tipped me off. I knew that ginger dude didn't have big black eyes, & they REALLY stand out on him too

Anyone remember Lon Suder? He had really black eyes.

If you look closely the book is actually Picard's family photo album. The one from earlier in the film and it kind of goes nicely with the dialog in the scene about what we leave behind isn't as important as how we've lived. Although I do kind of cringe when he tosses aside the priceless artifact especially knowing it's history from The Chase.lol

Well, he really just sets it down. And I think the saucer section is recovered at the end, or will be. I'm sure there were thousands of personal belongings on board that would be returned to their owners.

So I have one:
I always knew that Guinan was very long lived...and also had some kind of "sixth sense." However, I recently saw "Q Who" and Guinan seems to be some kind of powerful shape shifting demon or something. Q says "This creature isn't what she appears to be. She's an IMP, and causes mischief wherever she travels." I'm paraphrasing, but Q seems alarmed at her presence. And Guinan puts up her claws as if she has some defence against Q. She also has a history with the Q in general. Sooo....yeah. I'm no longer certain what Guinan is exactly...or what she's doing on the Enterprise. Is she "observing" humanity? Is she noncorporeal and inhabiting "Guinan's" body?

 

[Mojochi]

Anyone remember Lon Suder? He had really black eyes

Yeah, but by the time I'd seen him, I'd already figured it out

 

[tharpdevenport]

So I have one:
I always knew that Guinan was very long lived...and also had some kind of "sixth sense." However, I recently saw "Q Who" and Guinan seems to be some kind of powerful shape shifting demon or something. Q says "This creature isn't what she appears to be. She's an IMP, and causes mischief wherever she travels." I'm paraphrasing, but Q seems alarmed at her presence. And Guinan puts up her claws as if she has some defence against Q. She also has a history with the Q in general. Sooo....yeah. I'm no longer certain what Guinan is exactly...or what she's doing on the Enterprise. Is she "observing" humanity? Is she noncorporeal and inhabiting "Guinan's" body?

That scene is just another reminder of the little things that I hated about the earlier seasons, that are canon and thusly carried over into later ones, even if never referenced again.

That, the horrible "Wesley is this amazing super being but dont' tell him" shit, Riker can sense Troi's thoughts (even heard him?) but that'll never come in handy ever again (look how handy such a thing was in an issue of Joss Whedon's initial run of The Astonishing X-Men), no one's ever seen a Ferengi before until the Enterprise D encounterd them, Betezoids have naked weddings ... until Nemesis, and anything else I've rightfully forgotten about.

 

[Vger23]

I never noticed until recently that in the earlier seasons, they didn't use the touchscreen "sliders" to energize the transporter like they did later.

 

[Triskelion]

If you look closely the book is actually Picard's family photo album. The one from earlier in the film and it kind of goes nicely with the dialog in the scene about what we leave behind isn't as important as how we've lived. Although I do kind of cringe when he tosses aside the priceless artifact especially knowing it's history from The Chase.lol

Well, what you might want to do here is realize that Picard would feel a great responsibility to preserve the Kurlan Naiskos, by having put it into storage or on display in a museum under proper guard. He would not be displaying it on a bulkhead shelf in a cubbyhole. Add to this the fact that the original artifact would never have survived the impact from a drop to the floor from table height - let alone one that ripped solid duranium to shreds and trashed the whole ship.

For example, try putting a Fabergé egg on a dashboard in a car crash. It's NOT going to survive. The item Picard held in the film would likely have been a polymer resin replica designed to bounce around bulkeads and floors every time there's a phaser blast against the shields. This way he could still appreciate the gift his mentor gave him - and the discovery that defined humanoid life in the galaxy. You can understand why he'd take 2 seconds to tell the replicator to scan and copy the priceless artifact.

I realize they didn't mention this - which only demonstrates that neither Picard nor Riker felt it even merited mentioning. Just remember - Picard was not a laissez-faire archeologist. He took that avocation very seriously. So rest easy! The real Kurlan Naiskos is on display in some Federation museum or other appropriate scientific institution. Science - is what they do. It's not a side hustle between shootouts.

The alternative explanation - that both he and Riker forgot what it was, or placed the loss of a ship above the loss of an artifact; or that the producers didn't care about continuity - is really not fair to any of them.

 

[Sakonna]

I just noticed that Rene Picard in "Family" and Young Transporter Accident Picard in "Rascals" are the same actor.

Also, that explanation that it's just a reproduction of the Kurlan Naiskos in the wreckage of the ship in "Generations" is clever, I like it.

 

[woodstock]

Well, he really just sets it down. And I think the saucer section is recovered at the end, or will be. I'm sure there were thousands of personal belongings on board that would be returned to their owners.

I agree, it would take years probably to strip down the saucer section and recover personal belongings, they wouldn't want to leave a scrap of material behind if there's an inhabited planet right next door. It might take a few hundred years, but those people would certainly be visiting and likely colonizing that planet at some point. At the end of the movie when they are evacuating, they're not taking everything they own, just what they really want and can easily carry. And beaming onto a transport ship with a photo album would get fewer funny looks than a bulky clay sculpture.

 

[trekshark]

Betezoids have naked weddings ... until Nemesis,

Isn't there a comment during the wedding scene that there is going to be a second ceremony on betazed where there won't be clothes?

 

[Kor]

Isn't there a comment during the wedding scene that there is going to be a second ceremony on betazed where there won't be clothes?

Yes.

TROI: It's tradition, Worf! You of all people should appreciate that.
WORF: I will not do it!
PICARD: Won't do what, Mister Worf?
WORF: Captain, I do not think it is appropriate for a Starfleet officer to appear ...naked.
PICARD: Oh, come now! A big, handsome, strapping fellow like you? What can you be afraid of?
(source: chakoteya.net)

Kor

 

[Sakonna]

Watching "Starship Mine" recently, I just noticed Tim Russ is always playing undercover infiltrators. In this ep he's a criminal human posing as a technician to take over the ship... in DS9 "Invasive Procedures" he's a criminal Klingon posing as a cargo ship crewman to take over the station... in the VOY pilot we're introduced to Tuvok posing as a Maquis to infiltrate Chakotay's crew. Always with the hidden agendas on this guy!

 

[Joshua C.]

It gets even weirder, Sakonna. I recall an ep of Voyager where he was an infiltrator... I don't think it was a dream, a lie, or a doppelgänger a la "Live fast and prosper", so it was probably "Cathexis." He had a phaser pointed on the bridge and said 'step aside' with an evil glint.

Then there was that "Repression" ep where he was doing the embedded post-hypnotic bidding of some jerk from the alpha quadrant...

Most insidious of all, of course, was his own turn as an infiltrator in his own past on the Excelsior, in a nearly quantum leap story...

But my favorite was when he was half possessed by mister Sutor, and suddenly became an unstable, militant Maquis prisoner amongst his crew.

As for his human role on the bridge of the Ent. B in Generations... Come to think of it...just what the hell was that guy up to!? I bet he gave the medical staff the week off and delayed torpedo requisitions until Thursday.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Yes.

TROI: It's tradition, Worf! You of all people should appreciate that.
WORF: I will not do it!
PICARD: Won't do what, Mister Worf?
WORF: Captain, I do not think it is appropriate for a Starfleet officer to appear ...naked.
PICARD: Oh, come now! A big, handsome, strapping fellow like you? What can you be afraid of?
(source: chakoteya.net)

Kor

You forgot the best line: "Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be in the gym."

 

[Gary7]

This photo was used in a different topic, but it did raise something to mind that I'd not realized:

... how much the TNG bridge forward consoles have this perplexing "ramp" up to the main console controls. It's befuddling, because they have some screens and controls to the aft of the seated crew members, which doesn't look usable for them at all from a seated position. And yet, they're not tilted towards the rear for the command crew (Captain and XO) to be able to read. In fact, how useful are they if Riker has a habit of straddling over one of them, blocking the view?

Anyway, most of the camera angles we're given don't show these. It's usually "seat surface and up" from there, so the ramp isn't seen much, except in those long shots. But it just strikes me as how unusable they are. All other bridge configurations we've seen don't have that "excess" paneling.

One quality I did like about the E-D bridge forward consoles is how they pivot for easy chair entry/exit. We don't see that in any DS9, VOY, or movie spacecraft.

 

[Prax]

Remember Season one? The chairs were reclined to such a degree that the occupant had their chin on their chest. And those chairs did not rotate. They had to rotate the console "arm" away to get out. Maybe in that relaxed position they could see those other displays, if they weren't sleeping...

 

[Gary7]

Remember Season one? The chairs were reclined to such a degree that the occupant had their chin on their chest. And those chairs did not rotate. They had to rotate the console "arm" away to get out. Maybe in that relaxed position they could see those other displays, if they weren't sleeping...

Yep! I definitely recall that, the "console recliners". It telegraphed such a laid back attitude, you'd expect there to be cup holders and blankets so they can "enjoy the movie" on the main view screen. It was such a relief to see them dispense with that into the 2nd season.

2nd Season & 1st Season - notice the top of the chair relative to Data's head.

You can see how they're nearly like chez lounges. Enough to make you fall asleep.

 

[Marc]

... how much the TNG bridge forward consoles have this perplexing "ramp" up to the main console controls. It's befuddling, because they have some screens and controls to the aft of the seated crew members, which doesn't look usable for them at all from a seated position. And yet, they're not tilted towards the rear for the command crew (Captain and XO) to be able to read. In fact, how useful are they if Riker has a habit of straddling over one of them, blocking the view?

think they're actually isoliner chips (as seen in The Naked Now) rather than controls or displays (assuming it's the location at the bottom of the ramp that's being talked about).