^Yeah, I think it's for the best that DS9 wasn't typically "All War, All the Time". Among other things I'm not sure I'd trust the writers to keep the momentum going. But also, while the war was certainly a centerpiece of DS9, it's not what Trek is ultimately supposed to be about either, and I never wanted DS9 to become a long war story without pause.
Deep Space Nine Rewatch
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I agree I too didn't want to see DS9 be all war all the time but there were long stretches where it felt like the war was an afterthought. Also I do think they could have wrapped up the war in a season, and left season 7 be more episodic/bringing the series full circle. Was it really necessary to spread the war out two whole seasons?
Also, @Tosk, I never really saw MASH, but wasn't the war a backdrop to what the series was really about, which is the mash unit behind the lines? Not really sure how much of the war they showed in that series, and wasn't it a sitcom?
Well, certainly spreading the war out made it seem like a larger war than it would have been had it wrapped up sooner. And it should feel like a large war, because it's the worst war in Federation history. Making it shorter would have reduced its scope.
Unless Voyager returning home, I didn't feel like we really needed an aftermath in this case, though I would have liked to see Bajor join the Federation given an additional season to work with. More standard episodic episodes would have felt like a bit of a let-down after what had come before, though.
Unless Voyager returning home, I didn't feel like we really needed an aftermath in this case, though I would have liked to see Bajor join the Federation given an additional season to work with. More standard episodic episodes would have felt like a bit of a let-down after what had come before, though.
That's mainly what I was getting at. The fact that Bajor didn't join the federation at the end of the series was a little disappointing, considering that's how the series started, with Sisko coming to the station to guide Bajor's entry. What they came up with in the books was really satisfying, but I only wish that had actually happened on screen.
Since my DS9 DVDs have been getting a little worn out I've been watching it on Netflix, and I've come to realise one of the things that resonate most with me for the series, the thing that makes it the best Trek IMO: the banter. It shows the characters going about their normal lives, gossiping and poking fun at one another, even when in Ops or on the Bridge they give the impression at times of just hanging out with friends at work. The easy back-and-forth is something that doesn't exist (or if it does it either isn't as memorable or doesn't work as well) in the other shows.
Things like Kira and Dax talking about Odo having a woman in his quarters, or O'Brien telling Dax and Sisko to comment on a hint of lilac when Worf is around, all these sorts of details just make the DS9 universe far fuller and more textured than the others. It may be the "darker" Trek and even though is has the most aliens of any series, they are still the most relatable and 'human'.
Things like Kira and Dax talking about Odo having a woman in his quarters, or O'Brien telling Dax and Sisko to comment on a hint of lilac when Worf is around, all these sorts of details just make the DS9 universe far fuller and more textured than the others. It may be the "darker" Trek and even though is has the most aliens of any series, they are still the most relatable and 'human'.
I too love the banter. It makes these people feel more real and gives them more personlity.
Yeah, just watched "Statistical Probabilities" in my rewatch and love the scene where they're talking about genetic tampering while waiting for Damar's speech. We never saw much of that on TNG (that I can think of).
I must admit that I haven't watched DS9 since its first run on TV, and I believe I may have missed a few episodes as well. I've been wanting to re-watch it for a while now but when TNG on Blu-Ray was announced I decided to wait and see if DS9 would get the same treatment before starting a re-watch. Sadly, that seems like vain hope now so I think I'll start re-watching it on Netflix when I go on parental leave in a few months.
I'm at the final chapter, watching Changing Face of Evil now.
I'm reminded why I didn't like parts of the final chapter. A lot of the early episodes focused too much on Winn and Dukat. They would have that story and I'm like "can we go back to worf and Dax" or "what is happening with Wayoun and Damar.
Other than that, this is a really audacious effort for the late 90s. Also, Worf and Dax slowly becoming friends might be my favorite storyline of the first four episodes. It will really come to play in Tacking into The Wind and the moment where I think I fell in more love with Ezri than Jadzia.
I'm reminded why I didn't like parts of the final chapter. A lot of the early episodes focused too much on Winn and Dukat. They would have that story and I'm like "can we go back to worf and Dax" or "what is happening with Wayoun and Damar.
Other than that, this is a really audacious effort for the late 90s. Also, Worf and Dax slowly becoming friends might be my favorite storyline of the first four episodes. It will really come to play in Tacking into The Wind and the moment where I think I fell in more love with Ezri than Jadzia.
I've just finished In the Pale Moonlight, I've seen it about 15 times but never in the order while watching the show through. I haven't ever seen all the episodes in order before. The show feels A LOT more slow burning than I remember. I thought the 5-6th season was more WAR-WAR-WAR! but what I remember must all be from season 7. It makes In the Pale Moonlight not as great. The war doesn't feel like it's going badly, talking about 100 ships destroyed don't make the war feel anything. I wish more of the war took up season 6 than what we got because things go batshit crazy in season 7 and it feels too crammed. They had to know that season 7 was the last.
Yes, MASH didn't do war all the time, but you always knew they were at war. There was always a war background. DS9 has a massive war going on and it feels like the show forgets it at times.
Yes, MASH didn't do war all the time, but you always knew they were at war. There was always a war background. DS9 has a massive war going on and it feels like the show forgets it at times.
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On the last episode of Season 6 and just thought of something I wished they'd done throughout the series. I kinda wish that whenever Sisko met with the Prophets that there was always one who assumed the same 'form' during each encounter, that of Opaka. She always seemed far more connected to the Prophets than any other Bajoran and I'd like to think there was some link there, one that remained even after her death.
This really is because I loved Opaka and wish we'd seen more of her (even a Prophet version) throughout the series.
Just one more season to go until it's all over once again.
This really is because I loved Opaka and wish we'd seen more of her (even a Prophet version) throughout the series.
Just one more season to go until it's all over once again.
I think I would have rather had Opaka be the one in contact with Sisko than Sarah. Opaka introduced Sisko to the prophets and we saw her again on Accession. One of the qualms with the Sarah was it felt disconnected from the prophets we knew before. Maybe the emissary Orb did kill the old prophets and sarah represented something new, something more Linear.
I'm at Dogs of War. Almost done with the series. It's been a fun rewatch.
I'm at Dogs of War. Almost done with the series. It's been a fun rewatch.
And with that my DS9 rewatch is over. What You Leave Behind is my second favorite finale, behind All Good Things... there was a lot to love about it, like the end of the dominion war, Damar dying a martyr, and the emotional goodbyes. I still am not a fan of the Pah Wraith storyline, which is why I don't like Sisko's fate at the end but I understand why they went in that direction. It's also why I don't consider it the best finale.
From about 1990 to 2000, we really had some awesome Star Trek. I'm really glad to see DS9 have a bit of a resurgence, much the same way as in 2003 when the DVDs came out. With all that could have been from the 50th anniversary, I think what is really exciting me right now is the third series, often called the red headed stepchild of the franchise that has gotten a new lease on life and it going full throttle. With this documentary on the way and the Campaign going so well, i can't wait to see what comes next from Deep Space Nine.
When I go to the convention in August, I'm not only looking forward to celebrating TNG's 30th anniversary, but also celebrating Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
I'm also kinda looking forward to to Discovery too but DS9 and TNG really will always be in front in terms of my Star Trek fandom.
From about 1990 to 2000, we really had some awesome Star Trek. I'm really glad to see DS9 have a bit of a resurgence, much the same way as in 2003 when the DVDs came out. With all that could have been from the 50th anniversary, I think what is really exciting me right now is the third series, often called the red headed stepchild of the franchise that has gotten a new lease on life and it going full throttle. With this documentary on the way and the Campaign going so well, i can't wait to see what comes next from Deep Space Nine.
When I go to the convention in August, I'm not only looking forward to celebrating TNG's 30th anniversary, but also celebrating Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
I'm also kinda looking forward to to Discovery too but DS9 and TNG really will always be in front in terms of my Star Trek fandom.
Just finished "The Siege of AR-558", Quark's behaviour in the field hospital always gets me in this episode. The scene where he's watching over Nog but can hear the battle waging outside is harrowing, then next we see him he's gunning down Jem'Hadar to keep his family safe. I feel myself well up every time I watch as I just feel so much for Quark in those moments.
Hey @tomalak301 I was with you throughout this journey of DS9 and although I don't know and like it as much as VOY, I quite enjoyed your thread. Of course, I didn't expect anything less after your very enjoyable VOY forum. I'm sorry I couldn't take part in this one as much as in the VOY one but nevertheless I was a regular reader.
And I know I'm repeating myself but if you ever decide to do a thread about a StarGate SG-1 and/or StarGate SG-A rewatch, I'll definitely join you and will be a bit more contributing than here (although not as much as on the VOY thread
). Cheers.
I always thought I was the only one! I have such a fondness for this episode. I love the way Armin Shimmerman plays the scene where Quark is distraught to realize human values have started rubbing off on him.
It also has my favorite Quark/Moogie moment, where she gives him his Marauder Moe action figures, but mentions they're worth less than they would have been if he left them in the original packaging, like she told him when he was a child. I love the warmth in Quark's response: "Even then, you were handing out sound financial advice."
For me this mostly worked, but I see why people don't like it. I always thought there was one simple change that would have made it so much better: instead of Sisko being surprised to find himself in the company of the Prophets, he should have gone into the wormhole with the intention of contacting them and enlisting their aid. Just let our lead character be more active in choosing this resolution. And it would give more resonance to Sisko having to agree to a penance from the Prophets.
Something random that always annoyed me about "Sacrifice Of Angels" is that one of the Prophets appears to Sisko in the form of Damar. Damar was no one to Sisko at that time, they had maybe interacted briefly on Dukat's ship in "Apocalypse Rising", but that was it.
Also, Camille Saviola was 10 times the actress that Deborah Lacey was. That's what really fouled the Sarah arc for me... conceptually, I'm on board with Sisko's connection to his Prophet mother, but the actress just was not up to the task. Not that she had an easy job... unless you really have a feel for it, that strange manner of the Prophet's is just going to register as empty blandness. An unfortunate failure of casting in the final season.
I have been watching some of the season 1 episodes on the H&I channel. I have really enjoyed the stories about the adventures of Jake and Nog. Even in the future, kids will be kids. Jake and Nog were clearly the anti Wesley Crusher. DS9 did a good job portraying kids, unlike TNG.
I liked the scenes where Jake taught Nog how to read; where the two were tossing objects down on unsuspecting aliens; and when they got a teenage Bajoran girl involved in one of their pranks in Odo's office.
I also appreciated the portrayal of family life, like the dynamic between Sisko and Jake as well as the interaction of the O'Briens.
In "A Man Alone", I found the story of Keiko starting a school on DS9 more compelling than the main story involving Odo and murder.
I liked the scenes where Jake taught Nog how to read; where the two were tossing objects down on unsuspecting aliens; and when they got a teenage Bajoran girl involved in one of their pranks in Odo's office.
I also appreciated the portrayal of family life, like the dynamic between Sisko and Jake as well as the interaction of the O'Briens.
In "A Man Alone", I found the story of Keiko starting a school on DS9 more compelling than the main story involving Odo and murder.
Count me as another viewer who enjoyed the banter. The banter between Odo and Quark were amusing. Ostensibly, Odo was a cop and Quark was a robber. But they were more like an odd couple.
