Other ships in Star Trek...

[Warped9]

Since TOS there have been a lot of fan designs for ships set in the TOS era. most of these are essentially variations of what we already saw. But peppered throughout the series we got to see some ships that were not variations of what we were already familiar with. And, of course, it always would have been appreciated if we could have seen more.

We also know that TOS was constrained in terms of time and budget so that many possible ideas could never be realized.

But for discussion I would like to ask if there are any designs from other SF of the period (anything up to the late 1960s) anyone might think could have been used as is or modified for TOS.

Three designs immediately come to mind.
- Klaatu's saucer from The Day The Earth Stood Still
- tThe C57D Cruiser from Forbidden Planet
- The Cosmostrator from First Spaceship On Venus

All of these could possibly have been moderately modified for use in TOS as some old Earth vessel or an alien vessel. I particularly like the Cosmostrator because it is clearly a stylized rocketship idea, but completely different from we recognize as realistic looking rockets. To me it doesn't seem much different than Kara's ship seen in "Spock's Brain."



Anyone else?

 

[Timo]

The two flying saucers, while probably nicely slipping into the Trek aesthetic, might have been unwelcome reminders of the hero ship, too, being a somewhat thinly camouflaged flying saucer. Perhaps something unlike saucers but also unlike Flash Gordon could have been found? The Cosmocrator / Cosmostrator definitely is a step in the right direction!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Warped9]

I've long thought the rocket ship from the Flash Gordon seriels could be adapted into something for TOS.

A photoshop I did several years ago.

 

[Warped9]

The Cosmocrator / Cosmostrator definitely is a step in the right direction!

Timo Saloniemi

I've just started working on a 3D model of the Cosmostrator.

 

[Redfern]

Al Nozaki's iconic "manta ray" inspired tripods (yes, they were tripods; the "legs" were supposedly electro-magnetic rather than metal and/or ceramics) from George Pal's "War of the Worlds" could have served as alien spacecraft, maybe "redressed", much as they did for "Robinson Crusoe on Mars". Potential drawback, arguably, they were too iconic. Even modified, anyone vaguely familiar with genre movies of the 50s would have instantly recognized them for what they really were.

 

[Warped9]

I believe Klaatu's ship from The Day The Earth Stood Still was repurposed for an episode of Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea.

 

[johnnybear]

A few scenes were borrowed for Voyage's first season and episode six I believe but I could be wrong! The Sky is Falling featuring an alien who resembles whomever they are talking to and a afterwards a scarred face that was later used for the basis of the Mutants in the Planet of The Apes film series!
JB

 

[Forbin]

Well, the whole point of the Enterprise design was that Roddenberry asked Jefferies to make something totally new and unexpected. So anything that came before wouldn't necessarily measure up to the TOS esthetic. And there hadn't really been much around yet that wasn't a flying saucer or a V-2 derivative.

 

[publiusr]

The Metaluna from THIS ISLAND EARTH really resembles the B/C deck more than any other saucer--though the ship itself is oblong--like the B/C deck itself.



http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BzfsItctv...AAAmE/eRj_e7c-OYI/s1600/this_island_earth.jpg

Not this
http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/PaulLloyd/2011-11-20_070054_jb_2.jpg

Saucer chart
http://constantvariation.blogspot.com/2012_11_01_archive.html

Saucers vs Rockets
http://s721.photobucket.com/user/gzeballo/media/spaceArt/SaucersVsRocketsSmall-1.png.html
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/space-flying-saucer-doodle-style-31877776.jpg
http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/w/wlentica.jpg
http://www.astronautix.com/graphics/b/bono631.gif

More
http://constantvariation.blogspot.com/2011/05/sf-visuals-iii-spaceship-design.html

http://constantvariation.blogspot.com/


A very large saucer airship
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/DAR...tegrated_Sensor_Is_Structure_Program_999.html

 

[johnnybear]

There are a few pages showing the inspiration for the Enterprise in Robert H.Justman's book! Sci-fi magazine covers from the fifties and sixties for instance!
JB

 

[publiusr]

This?
https://www.amazon.com/Inside-Star-Trek-Real-Story/dp/0671896288

 

[Nerys Myk]

Since TOS there have been a lot of fan designs for ships set in the TOS era. most of these are essentially variations of what we already saw. But peppered throughout the series we got to see some ships that were not variations of what we were already familiar with. And, of course, it always would have been appreciated if we could have seen more.

We also know that TOS was constrained in terms of time and budget so that many possible ideas could never be realized.

But for discussion I would like to ask if there are any designs from other SF of the period (anything up to the late 1960s) anyone might think could have been used as is or modified for TOS.

Three designs immediately come to mind.
- Klaatu's saucer from The Day The Earth Stood Still
- tThe C57D Cruiser from Forbidden Planet
- The Cosmostrator from First Spaceship On Venus

All of these could possibly have been moderately modified for use in TOS as some old Earth vessel or an alien vessel. I particularly like the Cosmostrator because it is clearly a stylized rocketship idea, but completely different from we recognize as realistic looking rockets. To me it doesn't seem much different than Kara's ship seen in "Spock's Brain."



Anyone else?

I get a Vulcan vibe from this ship.

 

[Warped9]

I get a Vulcan vibe from this ship.

So do I. I am presently working on a 3D model of the Cosmostrator (in the Arts Forum). I have an idea for adapting the overall concept into an alien ship design for TOS.

 

[publiusr]

I think the Cosmostrator is one of the best craft ever from sci-fi

 

[diankra]

I think the Cosmostrator is one of the best craft ever from sci-fi

I wonder if Liberator's designer had ever seen it?

 

[publiusr]

He was a steampunk fan--and used bits and pieces of a Drazi Sunhawk to finish it. That or someone from the Yamato universe that thinks its nice to have engines taper to cone-points or spheres instead of nozzles, as God and Robert Heinlein intended.

Or was that Crusher Joe--I forget

 

[RAMA]

Since TOS there have been a lot of fan designs for ships set in the TOS era. most of these are essentially variations of what we already saw. But peppered throughout the series we got to see some ships that were not variations of what we were already familiar with. And, of course, it always would have been appreciated if we could have seen more.

We also know that TOS was constrained in terms of time and budget so that many possible ideas could never be realized.

But for discussion I would like to ask if there are any designs from other SF of the period (anything up to the late 1960s) anyone might think could have been used as is or modified for TOS.

Three designs immediately come to mind.
- Klaatu's saucer from The Day The Earth Stood Still
- tThe C57D Cruiser from Forbidden Planet
- The Cosmostrator from First Spaceship On Venus

All of these could possibly have been moderately modified for use in TOS as some old Earth vessel or an alien vessel. I particularly like the Cosmostrator because it is clearly a stylized rocketship idea, but completely different from we recognize as realistic looking rockets. To me it doesn't seem much different than Kara's ship seen in "Spock's Brain."



Anyone else?

I have this model. Beautiful sprayed silver finish.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

But for discussion I would like to ask if there are any designs from other SF of the period (anything up to the late 1960s) anyone might think could have been used as is or modified for TOS.

This Island Earth was such a major influence, that I believe it would have served as a source for other TOS ships. Honestly, add nacelles to the ship and its practically a Romulan BOP.

- tThe C57D Cruiser from Forbidden Planet

A obvious source--but more for its interiors (clearly seen in "The Cage" and modified for the regular series) than ship design.

The Metaluna from THIS ISLAND EARTH really resembles the B/C deck more than any other saucer--though the ship itself is oblong--like the B/C deck itself.

On the subject of This Island Earth, some time ago, I posted this comparison image--

--to point out the undeniable lifting of the film's near-teardrop saucer topped with a very A and B deck design to create that seen on the 1701.

 

[Maurice]

--to point out the undeniable lifting of the film's near-teardrop saucer topped with a very A and B deck design to create that seen on the 1701.

Jefferies was an aviation guy, and the teardrop shape is common on fighter aircraft canopies. As such I think "undeniable" is too strong a word.

 

[Warped9]

Using Klaatu's ship from 19651's The Day The Earth Stood Still as conceptual inspiration I've tried fashioning an adaptation of the design as a TOS era alien ship.



It's about 10-11 decks thick and approximately the size of the TOS E's main hull.