Exactly! Just like they changed Chewbacca's appearance for The Force Awakens! They couldn't possibly keep that hairy carpet look from the 70's! It would look ridiculous nowadays! Oh, wait…
First look at Klingons in 'Star Trek: Discovery'?
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Exactly! Just like they changed Chewbacca's appearance for The Force Awakens! They couldn't possibly keep that hairy carpet look from the 70's! It would look ridiculous nowadays! Oh, wait…
No, it isn't for no reason whatsoever.
The Enterprise had some significant differences between Into Darkness and Beyond -- even after the ship was refit at the end of the former. Oh, and the crew's uniforms changed.
Did you need an explanation for that, or are you one of those fans who writes those films off entirely?
Visual and stylistic changes are not "for no reason whatsoever."
If nothing else, they serve the essential purpose of trying to communicate to the wider potential audience that what's being presented is something new and possibly interesting to them and worth at least sampling, in some way that the old and familiar Star Trek was not.
Star Trek needs that to succeed.
If nothing else, they serve the essential purpose of trying to communicate to the wider potential audience that what's being presented is something new and possibly interesting to them and worth at least sampling, in some way that the old and familiar Star Trek was not.
Star Trek needs that to succeed.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I always demanded a reason as to why Riker grew a beard between season one and two of TNG. I also demanded an episode explaining the sudden change in uniform - not just for TNG, but all the shows that went through a redesign. Why was Janeway's ready room suddenly painted in green trim starting from season four on? And especially since there was a crisis with the Borg between seasons three and four - who had the time to repaint?
These are the things that just sucked the joy out of my viewing experience.
These are the things that just sucked the joy out of my viewing experience.
The other thing is, are Klingons not allowed to be bald? Maybe these ones intentionally shave their heads for god-knows-what-reason?
Yes they do. They need a whole new generation of fans. Since the old guard seems to go from "that's just a rehash of ______" to "How DARE they change that!"
Ricker's beard? He did not shave
Change in uniform? To many Starfleet officers were complaining of back problems
Green trim? Perhaps her ready room had been particularly assimilated?
Oh, good. Thank you, Phillip. I can enjoy them to their fullest now.
It's fun how the Romulans of the 2009 movie were changed not one iota - the ears and the eyebrows stayed, and even the Vulcanoid strength made a surprise comeback. But we intuitively grasped the concept that badass Romulan miners can shave and get head tattoos.
The folks we see in that leaked photo are conceptually different. They aren't bald classics, they're something new altogether. Which is interesting, but it doesn't mean tattooed bald classic Romulans were less interesting.
Timo Saloniemi
The ears are the only thing that bother me. But then...maybe they rewatched and found out that we never see Klingon ears post TMP apart from one or two times explained by the augment virus. (I doubt this) or they could have had the religious Klingons remove their ears fro some reason. Or...a race that seems to have a cornucopia of cartilage and bone matter everywhere else....did t evolve ears until much later. (Huh.) Or...they blue the ears on last too, for whatever reason.
Or possibly, as some have suggested, it's a really bad redesign. I am hoping that's not the case. Not least as they sell all previous Trek alongside DSC, taking place in the same universe etc....which means while redesigns work within reason, others simply won't (The TNG era Klingons appear in Broken Bow after all, so too much of a redesign without a logical narrative explanation would be silly....as the precedent has been set with the Klingons quite heavily. This isn't a Trill spots scenario, or Bajoran crests even. ) while you are pushing something as a cohesive whole. Which they are with all the advertising and the decision to explicitly state 'Prime Universe'. Even if it doesn't look like TOS, it still needs to fit between Enterprise and TNG in as many ways as possible, with the explicit know,edge that TOS is the next thing along.
That's the thing, though. We're making A LOT of assumptions here. We're just guessing they could be Klingons because they have a similar look and because we know the Klingons are going to be a vital part of this show.
I just don't like what I've read - and that is, seeing people disheartened over a perceived "change in look," to an established species. I was really hoping to see more just caught up in the excitement of a new series coming, but instead, a lot just seem hellbent on sabotaging it with every tiny tidbit of information that's dropped because it's not what THEY want.
You are comparing someone changing their clothes or building an extension on a house to an entire species/race/ethnicity all having the exact same plastic surgery. I am thinking one is easier to explain without needing explicit narrative than the other.
We can argue ad infimitum about this, but the series was plugged as being prime universe. The prime universe of Trek, with a few minor exceptions, is hundreds of carefully crafted, consistent world building hours. If these guys are indeed Klingons then I hope they are a third type and that an explanation is given, otherwise, yes, I'll be one of the whining fanboys. People can compare it to TMP, but the fact is that back then the franchise only had 79 hours.
Even in its most radically alternative forms, Trek has always been about Kirk and the Klingons, more or less. I seriously doubt the makers of the new show would dare risk doing anything with their Klingons in a haphzard, poorly thought out way. If they do anything with this key ingredient, they're bound to get mileage out of it, and we're bound to get a story.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Ok, well. Enjoy the show, then.
I don't know if any of you have ever seen this, but this artist actually redesigns established Star Trek species to make them more alien in appearance. I'll be honest, again, it was a budgetary thing, but at times, it did bother me -- especially on Enterprise --- that to many alien species looked like humans.
http://laurelhach.tumblr.com/redesigns
http://laurelhach.tumblr.com/redesigns
It really wasn't. A pretty carefully delimited statement about the show's putative "Prime universe" setting was made by one producer who is no longer working on the show, and fandom on the Internet ran away with that as fandom is wont to do.
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/the-truth-about-discovery-and-the-prime-universe.286308/
The explanation is that it's all fiction and the producers have revised this version.
He actually did have a reason for this one. I can't remember the exact episode, but someone asked, maybe Guinan, and he said it was because he looked too young without the beard.
You may rest easy tonight my friend.
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