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First look at Klingons in 'Star Trek: Discovery'?
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Aka. The genres known as 'historical' or 'epic.'
Oh well. Guess the whole lot of em lack artistic integrity. Sorry Spartacus, Adventures of Robin Hood, Ben Hur, Saving Private Ryan, The Last King of Scotland, Apocalypse Now, North and South, Quest for Fire, Gone With The Wind, etc, etc, etc...
Them Klingons ain't got no legs! I demand an in universe explanation and Fuller's head on a platter!
I had a look because of what someone said about them being just costumes, at it seems like you can see feet coming out of them. Anyway, I'm not too fussed if the show is good.
Oh yes. I love the movie, really do. But I really need to NOT think about historical accuracy when I watch that.
It's a bit of damp squib looking at these skinny fellows guzzling coke in what looks like inflexible make-up that doesn't seem to do the actors individual contributions much favours. That's my initial impressions anyway. I need to see how these guys act and the environmental aesthetic that surrounds their performances before I can give a more solid assessment.
I do prefer "Viking" Klingons and that is partially a nostalgia kick, sure. These "Ninja" Klingons are probably the more plausible for what a real warrior-species would be like however.
I do prefer "Viking" Klingons and that is partially a nostalgia kick, sure. These "Ninja" Klingons are probably the more plausible for what a real warrior-species would be like however.
Those are clearly ghost Klingons, or Ghons for short.Them Klingons ain't got no legs! I demand an in universe explanation and Fuller's head on a platter!
...and it worked.
Of course, there's no worthwhile analogy to be drawn between misrepresenting history and rebooting/revising fiction. This "argument" is always grasping at straws.
The DIS Klingons look at least better than the TNG Klingons. The only look which was stupider than that long curls, ridges and stupid clothes look of the later, was Worf with his pisspot haircut.
On a side not, shouldn't more actors's names leak by now? If Wikipedia is right with their categories, we only know four main characters so far, one women, three men. They seem to start filming now. Is no one stalking that studio from the outside with a camera and looks, what actors get in and out?
On a side not, shouldn't more actors's names leak by now? If Wikipedia is right with their categories, we only know four main characters so far, one women, three men. They seem to start filming now. Is no one stalking that studio from the outside with a camera and looks, what actors get in and out?
Someone needs to update the page then.......there's several more than THAT confirmed.
It's all to do with how things are marketed....most of those are alreAdy 'Legend' before being adapated (Prince of Thieves accidentally borrowing from another adaptation not long before...only finding out when one of their actors pointed it out. Naseem/ Azeem) the others marketed as dramatisations or adaptations of already fictional works and taking less liberty than Braveheart. Braveheart becomes an oddity in that it has become something of a propaganda piece. Mostly, people just giggle at it. Filmed in Ireland, starring an Australian, we tell the history of Scotland's greatest hero...or not....may or may not contain any actual history. Many of the other films strive for some historical authenticity. Braveheart is like U571, or Black Hawk Down....
It also seems unlikely they would prop up costumes around a table, give them drinks, and arrange the two on the left as though having a conversation. But I guess anything is possible
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Discovery#Cast_and_characters
They list all 8 actors, who were officially announced so far, but four only as recurring. If that is right, we really only know for sure 4 main characters now.
You and your damn Vulcan like logic!It also seems unlikely they would prop up costumes around a table, give them drinks, and arrange the two on the left as though having a conversation. But I guess anything is possible
Wikipedia is not the best source...for anything.
Well one of the reasons I have my doubts, and I'm surprised nobody else has pointed this out is:
a). the makeup obscures actor's features much more than traditional Klingon makeup
b). check out these pictures of the Klingon members of cast - are they really gonna be made up like this?
I mean Mary Chieffo in particular I could see playing a regular Klingon, or a TOS Klingon, but not a cone-headed "Dr Who Draconian" for some reason. One of the criteria of Star Trek makeup in the past was that it did not obscure the actor's ability to act. Hence why Cardassian makeup was so lauded - really extreme, yet obscuring virtually nothing expression wise.
Brings to mind one of the criticisms of "Star Trek - Beyond".
It was a waste of Idris Elba's abilities, having him hidden underneath the prosthetics for 99%of the film...
Then I give you credit for being smarter than the average trufan.
These could also be extras costumes. Actors that won't be shot up close or have any dialog. It seems hard to believe that the main Klingons would wear a full mask given current tech. It makes nuance acting difficult.
In the old days you had a handful of extras at most, but now we may see scenes with dozens or hundreds. A crowd scene would probably need layers. Foreground would be main actors with full makeup. Middle ground might be these onesie costumes we see, and the background would be digital figures.
In the old days you had a handful of extras at most, but now we may see scenes with dozens or hundreds. A crowd scene would probably need layers. Foreground would be main actors with full makeup. Middle ground might be these onesie costumes we see, and the background would be digital figures.
I'm not a fan of the new design. It's not a bad design. There's just nothing on it that specifically looks uniquely "klingon" in it's basic shape or design. Something that previously was visible in each make-up iteration and retooling.
Even "Into Darkness" got that mostly right. There's some "Into Darkness" concept art around the internet that is almost pitch perfect. But even what we saw in the movie was pretty spot on with being identifiable "klingon", only re-imagined. Those "Discovery"-klingons? Could be literally every other alien race in any other sci-fi show. In fact they look pretty much like the "Magog" from Andromeda, or the aliens from "enemy mine".
I seriously hope they either:
a) will get hair added
b) are only low-detail background characters (and the "real" actors look more klingon)
c) are some other race
d) are "undead" klingons on the "sarcophagus" ship
e) are some form of ancient klingons
f) are physically altered/mutated klingons on the sarcophagus ship
Even "Into Darkness" got that mostly right. There's some "Into Darkness" concept art around the internet that is almost pitch perfect. But even what we saw in the movie was pretty spot on with being identifiable "klingon", only re-imagined. Those "Discovery"-klingons? Could be literally every other alien race in any other sci-fi show. In fact they look pretty much like the "Magog" from Andromeda, or the aliens from "enemy mine".
I seriously hope they either:
a) will get hair added
b) are only low-detail background characters (and the "real" actors look more klingon)
c) are some other race
d) are "undead" klingons on the "sarcophagus" ship
e) are some form of ancient klingons
f) are physically altered/mutated klingons on the sarcophagus ship
Compare:
TOS era:
Re-imagined for The Motion Picture:
Refined in TNG and DS9:
Re-imagined for JJ Abrams Star Trek:
Possible re-imagining number three for Discovery:
I mean out of those, I could see those three members of the cast dressing up in the first three every day, but not somehow dressing up in that last getup. Every Klingon (if that is what they are) in that photo looks identical.
Bonus image - ENT's explanation for the difference:
Er, yes. The guy who posted the photo (who works on the show) clearly said they were. And the show is about Klingons. Why people are still in denial about this photo not actually showing Klingons is beyond me.
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