Spoilers Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Grading & Discussion
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Well, unless you count Lucas's direction to Joe Johnston and the model builders. In the words of Johnston himself: -
I finally saw the film for the second time today and I have to say my impressions of the film only increased for the better. The biggest issues I had, such as the pacing of the first third of the film and Jyn's change from disinterested criminal to passionate rebel, resolved themselves for me. I wasn't sure before, but i definitely love this film more than The Force Awakens and it certainly stands on its own more.
Incidentally, I had the whole theater to myself, which was a new and interesting experience for me. The hundreds of times I've gone to the theater, I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've ever had the theater to myself. In some ways, it made the experience even bigger and a bit more personal. It also allowed me to go into full Tom Servo mode by the final act.
Incidentally, I had the whole theater to myself, which was a new and interesting experience for me. The hundreds of times I've gone to the theater, I'm pretty sure this is the first time I've ever had the theater to myself. In some ways, it made the experience even bigger and a bit more personal. It also allowed me to go into full Tom Servo mode by the final act.
Yeah, I thought it was better the second time around too. I suspect some of that is already being invested in the characters from the first viewing, thus the introductions don't feel quite as perfunctory. Nevertheless, I think it holds up better on multiple viewings than TFA (and I loved TFA!)
Regarding Jyn's arc, it makes sense when you consider what we learn about her background. She grew up right in the middle of "the cause", so her turn to passionate rebel isn't a quick turnaround so much as a rekindling of lost faith (also a theme with Baz.) In her case the turning point is learning that her father isn't an Imperial collaborator after all. That he's not a monster that abandoned her to create weapons for the people that killed her mother.
To learn that he spent all those years working against the Empire from within, all on his own and then died for "the cause" in Jyn's arms...well that'll put the fire back into any lapsed revolutionary, no?
Yes, it is basically the same as Legends, Incom was making the X-Wing for the empire, but instead the company was nationalized by the empire, and former employees ran off with them to the Rebellion.
The Mon Calamari ships were built to resemble buildings on their homeworld to hide the fact they were ships, and when the Empire finally came along they took off in them.
Admiral Raddus' ship was a city hall, and most of his crew were defence staff.
This is all from the Rogue One Visual Guide.
If you watch the Clone Wars episodes that tank place on Mon Cala, you can see why the empire would be fooled.
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Ah, i see. Thanks for taking the time to write that up.
The interesting question of course is, if this will stand, when Rebels introduces X-Wings.
The interesting question of course is, if this will stand, when Rebels introduces X-Wings.
Well Pablo Hidalgo wrote the R1 Visual guide and he works on rebels and the other Star Wars productions at LucasFilm as part of the Story Group, so it more then likely will not change.
Here is the exact blurb. it doesn't mention anything about Incom designers actually taking the plans to the rebellion, I may have confused that with the EU back story.
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^Pablo loves the old RPG material but he's not going to fill in a blank on something so important if there's a chance it might hinder a future storyteller. Hence keeping the details vague.
It does however hint that the X-Wing's design does indeed date back to the late Clone Wars/early years of the Empire period as Sienar's TIEs started appearing as early as the first 'Empire Day' anniversary, or thereabouts.
It does however hint that the X-Wing's design does indeed date back to the late Clone Wars/early years of the Empire period as Sienar's TIEs started appearing as early as the first 'Empire Day' anniversary, or thereabouts.
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Well, it was inspired by the same X-Wing concept art for ANH, which inspired the Headhunter, so..
Imagine if the Empire used X-Wings and Y-Wings.
I meant as more of a mainstay to their forces, rather than the TIE fighters and all their variants.
Obviously, it would require less of a "overwhelm them with sheer numbers" and towards a specialist force who are more skilled and experienced.
Obviously, it would require less of a "overwhelm them with sheer numbers" and towards a specialist force who are more skilled and experienced.
Went to see it again for the second time. Was able to pay a little more attention during the space battle. The Ghost appears in almost every sequence in orbit until the Death Star arrives. It is always near the command ship and tends to be blowing up TIE Fighters that are getting too close to the Admiral.
I also experienced something I don't think I've encountered before, or it has been a long time. Cheering and clapping at the movie's end. Not a standing ovation, but close to it.
I also experienced something I don't think I've encountered before, or it has been a long time. Cheering and clapping at the movie's end. Not a standing ovation, but close to it.
If you're not watching Rebels, you may want to start as Thrawn has a fighter in development that can give the X-Wings a run for their money. Indeed, given the sequence of events, this thing may end up being exactly why the Rebels felt the need to acquire X-Wings in the first place.
That aside, you sort of answered your own question there. It's like saying "what if the Empire wasn't the Empire?" Being massive, faceless and with waves upon waves of disposable forces at their disposal is sort of the whole point, no?
I could however see Imperial Commando units using something a bit more robust than your average TIE. Although it'd probably be skewed more towards stealth than it's ability to hold it's own in a dogfight. I'm picturing something along the lines of the old Eta-2's fitted with sensor damping tech, comms jammers and ion cannons. The kind of thing they'd use to slip in and sabotage a planetary defence grid or kidnap/assassinate a high value target in deep space.
Oh, I get the reason for the Empire's forces being the way that they are, being wave upon wave of faceless troops or fighters. Even Rogue One traded in this, as the heroes were overwhelmed, rather than being killed off by Vader or Krennic.
I guess my larger thought process was trying to picture Imperials utilizing more than just sheer numbers and having more precision and heavier equipment. As you suggested, it would be interesting to see the old Eta-2's used for different missions. Or, even using the X-Wings and Y-Wings before the full Imperial Army and Navy were up and running.
All speculation, of course, but just ideas that I think would be interesting to see.
Well we did sort of get a glimpse of this at the end of RotS with the Imperial Venator-class Star Destroyers & V-Wings. One assumes most of the remaining Y-Wings saw out the rest of their service fighting Seperatist hold-outs and the pirates like Hondo that flourished while the Jedi were busy with the war. This may be when they were modified to be single person and their bubble turrets replaced with the twin ion turrets. If so then them ones we saw in Rebels techically would have been ex-Imperial Y-Wings. Which I suppose just highlights how silly it really is thinking of Imperial ships as somehoe being different from Republic ones. It's all the same thing really.
Anyway I'd say within a year the new ships from Sienar & Kuat started rolling out and the old stuff was either sold off or mothballed. That said I honestly can't see the Y-Wings being sold as I doubt they'd be much use to local defence fleets; bombers after all are really for taking on fixed emplacements and capital ships. Not the kind of capability you want your local forces having at their disposal.
That's what I grew up with.
Still haven't seen the film a second time. But I read the novel. On the one hand I adore the film and the story. On the other I'm not very happy with the gasp of "Oh, so THAT'S why they could blow up the Death Star 'so easily'". First off, it wasn't "easy". It was really nearly impossible. Secondly, how many "unsinkable" vehicles have we built in real life?
Galen Erso's story is kind of cool. But the reason it works is because he could hide a flaw put there on purpose that could just as well have been there by accident.
I also finally went back to the novel and comic books of Star Wars. In both cases Vader describes the chase of the Rebels very differently. (Although he does say that the Rebels who stole the plans did all die.)
I decided the day after I saw Rogue One that I didn't care because Rogue One was amazing and the ending was incredibly satisfying.
...one? Has anyone ever actually significantly used the term "unsinkable" in such a hubristic way since the Titanic?
Literally used the term? Probably just the one. Expected the same results? Hindenburg, Bismark. Mars Climate Orbiter, Apollo 1, Challenger, etc, etc, etc. Large complex systems that fail in unexpected but later diagnoseable ways....one? Has anyone ever actually significantly used the term "unsinkable" in such a hubristic way since the Titanic?
I don't see the Death Star as being any different.
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