Should the next Star Trek movie have a lower budget?

[The Wormhole]

NO! Gene was a visionary who saw Star Trek as some deep philosophical work which always presented relevant matters to contemplate. Star Trek was never meant to be fun, exciting, adventurous, nor was it meant to have action, and especially not tits or ass. Star Trek is above all that nonsense. Just conveniently ignore all the times where it does deliver exciting action with T&A and overlook the fact that those times outnumber the others where it was deep or thoughtful.

 

[fireproof78]

NO! Gene was a visionary who saw Star Trek as some deep philosophical work which always presented relevant matters to contemplate. Star Trek was never meant to be fun, exciting, adventurous, nor was it meant to have action, and especially not tits or ass. Star Trek is above all that nonsense. Just conveniently ignore all the times where it does deliver exciting action with T&A and overlook the fact that those times outnumber the others where it was deep or thoughtful.

Um, yes, I have a William Ware Theiss on the interwebs and he has his own theories about that.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

NO! Gene was a visionary who saw Star Trek as some deep philosophical work which always presented relevant matters to contemplate. Star Trek was never meant to be fun, exciting, adventurous, nor was it meant to have action, and especially not tits or ass. Star Trek is above all that nonsense. Just conveniently ignore all the times where it does deliver exciting action with T&A and overlook the fact that those times outnumber the others where it was deep or thoughtful.

LOL.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Beyond did okay business, bringing in 341 million dollars, but it cost 185 million dollars to make, it barely broke even.

Should the next Star Trek movie try to be profitable by having a lower budget or should they keep the budgets high for these films?

Yeah it should. They are now in the diminishing returns phase and it would be crazy to put nearly 200 million into the next one. Of course just like the original ST they will have to focus more on story and dialogue with a smaller budget and it may actually make a better movie.

 

[David Strickhouser]

If memory serves, an interview with Chris Pine said he was (paraphrasing) amenable to a "smaller" film, in scale.
Yes, diminishing returns is now a factor, but how much does overseas box office receipts offset diminished domestic returns?
More overseas financing? In addition, that type of financing can "subtly" dictate cast diversity, story content (not too controversial to certain political regimes even if couched in sci-fi tropes), etc.
Also factor in increased cast and crew salaries, visual effects budgets; will Paramount stand for another "just above breaking even" film?

 

[RAMA]

ST Beyond will make a nice tidy profit for Paramount within a year, a bigger one within 2 (according to my cited statistics on blockbuster movie grosses as well as the latest secondary revenue success). It'll eventually be in the $100-200 million profit range.

Considering this, Paramount's main incentive will be to get more production assistance to make the movie. They already minimized the budget to less than the stated $185 million with Chinese investment, and likely the budget was even closer to $140-150 million before the new team was brought on and Orcii was removed.

ST4 will probably start with that budget, about $150 million and may go higher.

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

Yeah it should. They are now in the diminishing returns phase and it would be crazy to put nearly 200 million into the next one. Of course just like the original ST they will have to focus more on story and dialogue with a smaller budget and it may actually make a better movie.

Actually no, there are three movies and 1 movie isn't a trend. Also, the movie made less initial BO profit than ST09, but in absolute box office, only made $41.5 million less worldwide, so it's not like it's a freefall.

 

[Vezner]

I may be old school Trek but I give up on Nu Trek. I'm tired of the metro look, the changing of key characters (Sulu being gay, for one), the change in physics (warp, weapons, etc), and I'm tired of the extreme action with pathetic story lines that barely build characters. In short, Trek died with Enterprise IMO. Star Trek Discovery MIGHT be a revival but so far what I'm hearing about it doesn't sound promising. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[fireproof78]

I may be old school Trek but I give up on Nu Trek. I'm tired of the metro look, the changing of key characters (Sulu being gay, for one), the change in physics (warp, weapons, etc), and I'm tired of the extreme action with pathetic story lines that barely build characters. In short, Trek died with Enterprise IMO. Star Trek Discovery MIGHT be a revival but so far what I'm hearing about it doesn't sound promising. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

It's not dead, so long as we remember it

Or, you know, it's not dead at all.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm not sure "metro" means what Vezner thinks it means.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

My biggest issue with the Nu Trek is that we have had the same plot for all three films. (If we add old Trek into the mix, we could say that this trend went back further, with us having four or five films in a row of the same plot.) There is a villain with a megaweapon who has a grudge and our heroes have to defeat him. Star Trek: Beyond rose slightly above this dreck with its better-than-average characterization.

For myself, I see Nu Trek as existing in a new universe, not some reality created by the temporal disruption of a disgruntled Romalan and the death of a starship. Seeing it in this way, I am able to enjoy the universe more. Yet, when compared to another universe, like Star Wars, the universe feels smallish.

 

[The Wormhole]

the changing of key characters (Sulu being gay, for one)

As there's nothing in TOS to indicate Sulu wasn't gay, how does this change the character?

Star Trek Discovery MIGHT be a revival but so far what I'm hearing about it doesn't sound promising.

As we know next to nothing about Discovery at the moment, I'm not sure why you have such negativity.

 

[Kor]

It should be an Earth-bound time travel story which takes place in our era. In other words, the TVH of the Kelvinverse.

Kor

 

[ralph]

It should be an Earth-bound time travel story which takes place in our era. In other words, the TVH of the Kelvinverse.

Kor

There are many creative ways to write a time travel story and it does not necessarily include Earth. Of course, it would be interesting. This plot would steer the story towards something more familiar, with modern day.
But I would appreciate a time travel story like The Guardian of Forever (but there is copyright, Harlan Ellison) or
"Yesterday's Enterprise"