Ira Graves in "Miri"?
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This bugs me too. I really wish they would separate stuff by sources. It can be hard at times to tell what comes from what source since they tend to blend everything together. If it were me I would do separate sections for comics, games, stand alone books, and the novelverse.
One or two of the older games gave a lot of their own background stuff for some of the characters, and MB tends to blend that together with stuff from the books and comics to the point that it can be kind of hard to tell what came from which source. It also doesn't doesn't differentiate between the recent books and older books, which can make it hard to tell what's actually important to the current ongoing series.
I am an editor there and I've thought about bringing some of this up to see if they could work out a new system, but I'm not very active so I don't think I'd have enough influence to bring about such a massive change.
Ugh, I completely forgot about the Starship Creator proliferation everywhere when I linked the Keras article. Yeah, that's annoying too; I mean, at least those bits were written by someone that'd worked on the shows and not just a random joke made up for the CCG, but still, annoying.
Memory Beta definitely suffers a lot from the lack of editors, though the priorities of those who are editing can also be a frustration--as easy as it is to work on a neglected corner of the site without interference, it's annoying that every single starship ever randomly generated in a video game gets an entry while there are Star Trek novelists with no entry at all.
Even the recent stuff (as mentioned above) doesn't get updated the way it used to.
As @Stevil2001 points out, Star Trek is in a somewhat unique position with regards to canon in an extensive franchise, but that's still no excuse for Memory Beta not to come up with some methodology to deal with this.
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That's true... but I was there this morning, and I noticed that all four entries in the "Recent Wiki Activity" window off to the side were articles about stuff from my DTI books. So somebody was giving me some attention, and I appreciate it.
I believe there's also two different Warhammer wikis as well.
I have thought about trying to set up a wiki purely for the novelverse, and stuff with a proveable connection to it. But I really don't have to energy for a project like that, and since my memory skills are horrible I would have to rely on other people to do most of the work.
EDIT: Thinking this over more, I could also see some pretty ugly arguments breaking out over which books/comics/ect. are connected to the novelverse and which aren't.
EDIT: Thinking this over more, I could also see some pretty ugly arguments breaking out over which books/comics/ect. are connected to the novelverse and which aren't.
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Me too. Deciding what is and isn't part of the Litverse would be a battle in and of itself though.
We could star that as as thread here, instead of a full wiki. That part comes later.
Or, for the Fallout universe, there's Nuka-Pedia and The Vault, two separate, competing wikis with warring fandom-fiefdoms and factions who very often hate each other's guts.
Yeah, noticed that too...seems like the tech-fandom people are far more militant about tracking that type of stuff over there than, y'know, characters, places, and events.
I'd be all for examining that question in detail.
On my website, to avoid trying to settle that issue, and also to make things more interesting, I just opted to include everything possible, regardless of continuity issues (Besides seperating the 80s continuity). But I did end up opting for a color coded system of levels of "importance".
If "the community" could iron out what counts and what doesn't that would end up being transformative for my site.
I thought the Okudas did them? I could be wrong, though, I can't remember where I heard that.
Yeah, I edited my post with a comment about that a couple minutes ago. I think just seperating out the novelverse and non-novelverse stuff in MB would probably be enough.
How many of you guys who post here are on Memory Beta. If I can get enough support I might try and bring that up on the boards there. When I look at the characters on MB, I'm mainly just interested in the stuff that relates to the Novelverse or the older books, and it gets annoying trying to wade through stuff from other things to figure out which stuff is just from them.
It'd be really cool if they did a tab-thing like Wookiepedia does with the new canon versus the old EU. IIRC, those tabs only show up where applicable, so you could probably have them for multiple continuities (novelverse, STO, '80s novelverse, et cetera) without cluttering most pages unnecessarily, though the hard part would be defining out specific continuities (for instance, is "Countdown" part of the STO-verse, or its own thing? Is there just a grab-bag header for stuff that isn't supposed to be part of a large continuity, like the various older video games?).
I'm beginning to agree that it'd be better to start over with Memory Delta or something and devote it wholly and exclusively to the modern novelverse, without worrying about the other licensed stuff. It's such a mess, and so much of it was specifically designed to stand alone, I'm not sure it's practical to have a comprehensive licensed Star Trek wiki that draws on everything from.
Yeah, but there's history there. That one's kinda akin to the Vulcan Sundering!
I dunno, it's supposed to be a wiki for all licensed work, so I actually prefer that includes everything. I do wish they did better at delineating what comes from where, but through in-text citations. Trying to cordon entries off based on what "universe" they're in just sounds way too confusing to me. I like reading through and seeing all the sources in one place. I have no desire to have to go through James T. Kirk (Novelverse), James T. Kirk (80s Novels), James T. Kirk (Bantam), James T. Kirk (Gold Key), James T. Kirk (DC), James T. Kirk (IDW)... etc.
