Ira Graves in "Miri"?

[ryan123450]

Browsing through a few articles on Memory-Beta and I noticed this note on the episode "The Schizoid Man."

Graves was, according to certain fan's interpretation of TNG novel Immortal Coil and TOS The Cry of the Onlies, originally the boy on Miram V called Pal, from TOS episode "Miri."

Now it's been some time since I've watched either of those episodes, or since I've read Immortal Coil. And I've never read The Cry of the Onlies. But this theory intrigues me and I'm hoping someone here can elaborate on what this theory might be all about, since I'm not remembering (or never knew) the relevant details that fit together here.

 

[JD]

I don't remember anything about Miri in Immortal Coil, but I guess there could have missed it or forgotten it, since been a while since I read it.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Memory Beta discussion page says it's one fan's interpretation. First I'd heard of it. Someone was trying to explain age differences between "young" Soong and Granpa Graves.

 

[Extrocomp]

The Onlies' homeworld was never called "Miram V", as far as I know.

 

[Christopher]

The Onlies' homeworld was never called "Miram V", as far as I know.

It was called Juram V in The Cry of the Onlies -- ignoring "Miri"'s depiction of it as the third planet of its system, an Earth duplicate in every way. In James Blish's adaptation, it was 70 Ophiuchus IV. Star Trek Maps called it the third planet of UFC 347601. I think there was one tie-in reference book that called the planet itself "Onlies."

 

[ryan123450]

Poking around on Memory Beta some more I found that the planet was called Miram V in issue 3 of Untold Voyages, which was also a sequel to "Miri".

Then I found this (which basically answers my original question):

Some fans have suggested that Pal, who joins Flint as his assistant in The Cry of the Onlies later takes on the name Ira Graves. This suggestion was made after those fans read TNG novel, Immortal Coil.

I guess I don't particularly buy it, but I do like the idea of crazy theories like this.

 

[JD]

If Flint was connected to the kids from Miri in Cry of the Onlies, then I can see where the theory came from.

 

[Christopher]

Oh, Flint is the link. That's an incredibly huge reach. Of all the people Flint must undoubtedly have encountered in his life, why would that one grow up to be Graves?

 

[Extrocomp]

Poking around on Memory Beta some more I found that the planet was called Miram V in issue 3 of Untold Voyages, which was also a sequel to "Miri".

I just read issue 3 of Untold Voyages. "Miram V" isn't mentioned anywhere in the issue.

 

[ryan123450]

Thats strange. Seems Memory Beta just completely made that up.

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Past_Imperfect

 

[Extrocomp]

Most likely, someone was misremembering Juram V. I've corrected it now.

 

[Christopher]

I still don't get how this theory ended up on Memory Beta at all. Since when did "fan interpretations" get counted there? It's for licensed tie-ins, not fanfic.

 

[Stevil2001]

I still don't get how this theory ended up on Memory Beta at all. Since when did "fan interpretations" get counted there? It's for licensed tie-ins, not fanfic.

Since it became a website anyone could edit. Memory Beta is not a very high-quality wiki, because there are too many Star Trek tie-ins and not enough people care about them.

 

[Jinn]

Since it became a website anyone could edit. Memory Beta is not a very high-quality wiki, because there are too many Star Trek tie-ins and not enough people care about them.

If you think MB is low quality you have never seen the German Memory Beta. We don't even have articles for every main character and the ones we have are nearly empty. However we also only have like 3 active users..

 

[Idran]

Yeah, I almost never trust Memory Beta for anything more than pointers to sources. Stuff like this, but also how they're so weird about blending blatantly contradictory sources to fill gaps without actually pointing out that they're doing so.

 

[Jinn]

What always annoyed me is their placement of post-VOTI novels in the timeline. I'd gretly appreciate a comment in the note section which explains why what is placed exactly where...

 

[Christopher]

The thing I've noticed about Beta lately is that it seems to be pretty slow at entering info about recent novels. For instance, a lot of material from Rise of the Federation after book 1 or 2 has yet to be added.

 

[Jinn]

And many of their articles for smaller characters miss out evrything post-Destiny.
And their whole page format is terrible unorganised.

 

[Extrocomp]

I think the reason why there are so few Memory Beta editors is that many Star Trek fans have a fanatical hatred towards anything that Paramount has labelled "non-canon". This neurosis seems to be unique to the Star Trek fandom, since no other fandom feels the need to create two separate wikis for canon and non-canon info.

 

[Stevil2001]

I think the reason why there are so few Memory Beta editors is that many Star Trek fans have a fanatical hatred towards anything that Paramount has labelled "non-canon". This neurosis seems to be unique to the Star Trek fandom, since no other fandom feels the need to create two separate wikis for canon and non-canon info.

Are they any comparable fandoms, though? In Star Wars everything was said to be canon (though we all know how that turned out). In Doctor Who only one thing has clearly been delineated as canon. In Transformers, everything ever made is considered "real" in some timeline.

Is there another fandom with a clear canon and a mass of noncanonical material? I just checked the Buffy wiki and it seems to handle the noncanonical novels like MA-- except no one cares about Buffy novels enough to make an MB equivalent.