Guess the continuity errors!

[Tenacity]

vulcans in starfleet before spock because as well know spocl was the first vulcan in starfleet it says so right there.

Give that there was a whole ship full of Vulcans (Intrepid), even when TOS was the only series, Spock being the first was doubtful.

There's nothing in TOS to say that there's no Kelvin-type ship

Well the Kelvin was from a separate universe, so a Kelvin exact design would be strange. But a ship larger in size than the TOS Enterprise is possible.

unless Kirk ever said the Enterprise is their biggest ship

The writers guide said something to the effect that the Enterprise's ship class was the largest, but nothing on screen ever backed that up.

 

[Tuskin38]

Well the Kelvin was from a separate universe, so a Kelvin exact design would be strange. But a ship larger in size than the TOS Enterprise is possible.

No it wasn't. The Kelvin existed in both Timelines since it pre-dated Nero's incursion.



I've stated this in another thread, but the series is probably going to be a Visual reboot. It will be the same timeline all the same events happened prior to it, but will look more modern since we're not in the 60s anymore.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The one thing I hope they don't mess with too much is the uniforms.

I don't expect them to be exactly like TOS (although that would be cool!), I just think that uniforms have been futzed around with WAY too much in Trek these past few years. For example, I believe that each and every new Kelvin-timeline film has had a different uniform design in it (and in STB, there's four or five of them).

And even though DSC is a prime timeline series, the same principle applies.

 

[Tenacity]

No it wasn't. The Kelvin existed in both Timelines since it pre-dated Nero's incursion.

That doesn't works if you hold (as I do) that the Prime and Abrams universe's were always two separate universe's.

The one thing I hope they don't mess with too much is the uniforms.

Hopefully they get rid of those awful one piece uniforms. The "onzie" is fine for maintenance duties, but not everyday wear.

 

[Tuskin38]

That doesn't works if you hold (as I do) that the Prime and Abrams universe's were always two separate universe's.

While it is unlikely to happen because of the licensing deals, what if it Discovery shows the Kelvin or another ship of the same class in the prime timeline?

 

[Kevin Wolff]

I'm hoping that they preserve no more than the core concepts of Trek. I don't think preserving the look of any of the old shows is a good idea as it may very well lead to DSC being another nostalgic prequel show rather than a fresh new look at the future based on our present. Why have flip phone communicators or even comm badges when 21st century military and law enforcement are already using always-on live audio/video feeds, for example. No colorful uniforms or set designs (for the federation at least) that harken back to a time that's no longer relevant. Take only what works, the concepts and values that set Trek apart, and ignore the rest.
I love the old shows but they belong to their time, not to this one. DSC should not fit snugly into continuity, but should be the beginning of a new, more complex and relevant Trek universe that can be built upon in the years and series to come.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

While it is unlikely to happen because of the licensing deals, what if it Discovery shows the Kelvin or another ship of the same class in the prime timeline?

IIRC, it's only the novels which are not allowed to touch Kelvin-timeline material in any way. So if DSC wanted to reveal what happened to the Prime versions of the Kelvin or Captain Robau (or even have those appear on the show), I think they could do it.

 

[captainkirk]

IIRC, it's only the novels which are not allowed to touch Kelvin-timeline material in any way. So if DSC wanted to reveal what happened to the Prime versions of the Kelvin or Captain Robau (or even have those appear on the show), I think they could do it.

Well one of the co-creators of DSC is one of the co-writers of the Kelvin-timeline movies so I doubt there would be an issue.

 

[Nerys Myk]

. For example, I believe that each and every new Kelvin-timeline film has had a different uniform design in it (and in STB, there's four or five of them).

The first two used the same design for the main uniforms.

That doesn't works if you hold (as I do) that the Prime and Abrams universe's were always two separate universe's.

Unless "you" is someone working on the show what "they" hold to believe is irrelevant.

 

[Focus Abbey]

Whenever possible, I'm in favor of finding creative explanations for anachronistic technology rather than trying to retroactively catch up with existing technology. Star Trek is a story, and I think that anytime the internal rules of the story are bent or broken, it weakens the whole narrative.

I've always thought that a case could be made for why the TOS technology looked and behaved the way that it did, as could TNG and so on. Not a bulletproof, mic-drop case, but enough to keep things moving forward without needing to reinvent the wheel with every new show or movie.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Whenever possible, I'm in favor of finding creative explanations for anachronistic technology rather than trying to retroactively catch up with existing technology. Star Trek is a story, and I think that anytime the internal rules of the story are bent or broken, it weakens the whole narrative.

I'm in favor of ignoring the anachronism and moving forward. Keep the show science fiction. When real science makes the fiction obsolete dump the fiction.

 

[Paradise City]

I'd prefer to see its own aesthetic within broad TOS parameters. That's my own preference.

It'll be interesting to see what they do with the big question of food replicators, lol.

 

[Tenacity]

I'm hoping that they preserve no more than the core concepts of Trek. I

What do you consider those to be?

Unless "you" is someone working on the show what "they" hold to believe is irrelevant.

Everyone not attached to production should withhold comment? My position on there being two entirely separate universe's is based on what was presented on screen and not on what members of the production team said in interviews.

 

[Nerys Myk]

What do you consider those to be?Everyone not attached to production should withhold comment? My position on there being two entirely separate universe's is based on what was presented on screen and not on what members of the production team said in interviews.

I never said people can't comment. Just that said ctheir commnets aren't relevant because they aren't involved with producing the show. Mine just as much as anyone else's. In fact, even comments by creators no longer involved with the production aren't all that relevant moving forward. Such is the nature of things.

On screen we are led to believe the Kelvin timeline splits off from the Prime with the arrival Nero and Spock in 2233. That's where it stands. I'm sure one could look at some set decoration or snip of dialog and decide otherwise if they wanted. But I'm not one to do so.

 

[F. King Daniel]

IIRC, it's only the novels which are not allowed to touch Kelvin-timeline material in any way. So if DSC wanted to reveal what happened to the Prime versions of the Kelvin or Captain Robau (or even have those appear on the show), I think they could do it.

The Autobiography of Captain Kirk and Federation: 150 Years both reference Kirk's birth on the USS Kelvin and Captain Robau, and are firmly set in the prime universe. I gather the references were snuck in under the radar.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

What do you consider those to be?

Humanity moving forward together. Still flawed but unified as a species. Using alien cultures and their dealings with humanity as metaphors for 20th/21st century issues like racism, sexism and extremist behavior. Lessons in tolerance, etc.

What would be different than what's done before is to update these concepts for the times. For example, in TOS they talked about sexual equality but still ignored LGBT and had women portrayed as objects as often as not. This improved somewhat in TNG era, but was still held back by the times. By addressing these issues as they exist today would help make the show new and relevant and remind us of how we can be better in a time when humanity is still going 3 steps forward, and 2 back in my opinion.

This is what makes Trek work well. Educating and informing by example. As scifi entertainment alone, the show and films always lagged behind other properties that do that better. I want to see cool ships, uniforms and space battles too, but only when the core concepts are the main focus.

 

[marsh8472]

They'll be strategic time travel stories that will attempt to pull in old star trek fans that will contradict prime universe episodes.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Autobiography of Captain Kirk and Federation: 150 Years both reference Kirk's birth on the USS Kelvin and Captain Robau, and are firmly set in the prime universe. I gather the references were snuck in under the radar.

And also, those were not 'novels' as such, just reference material.

 

[Tenacity]

On screen we are led to believe the Kelvin timeline splits off from the Prime with the arrival Nero and Spock in 2233.

We're lead to believe that Spock/Nero left the prime universe, and emerged in another place and time, this is what the movie led us to believe.

When TNG showed a 23rd century ship's bridge, it's what we'd seen before. When VOY showed us a 23rd century ship's bridge, it's what we'd seen before. The same with ENT.

JJ Abrams want to go a different direction stylistically, I get that. However, that all the differences we see in the Abrams universe can be attributed to one Romulan ship shooting up one Starfleet ship on a single occasion is absurd.

This is what makes Trek work well. Educating and informing by example.

As long as it doesn't reach Picard level preachy. And there should always be hero characters who don't "conform" to the orthodoxy. That Kirk, Spock and McCoy had such different points of view was one of the great things about TOS.

Lily shining a bright light on the holes in Picard's progressive philosophy was perhaps the single greatest scene in FC.

 

[Nerys Myk]

We're lead to believe that Spock/Nero left the prime universe, and emerged in another place and time, this is what the movie led us to believe.

The writers have the characters say, as explicitly as possible, with out having to break the fourth wall, what happened.

When TNG showed a 23rd century ship's bridge, it's what we'd seen before. When VOY showed us a 23rd century ship's bridge, it's what we'd seen before. The same with ENT.

It showed us a 23rd Century bridge as filtered through mid-20th Century production values. When they made TMP they used late 20th Century production values and hand waved it as a "refit". When they made ENT They used early 21st Century production values.

JJ Abrams want to go a different direction stylistically, I get that. However, that all the differences we see in the Abrams universe can be attributed to one Romulan ship shooting up one Starfleet ship on a single occasion is absurd.

No they are attributed to having 21st Century production technologies available. Scrape off the fancy lights and slicker look, it,s pretty much the same thing. Round room with the captain in a chair at the center. Helm and navigation up front. Other stations on the perimeter. TNG did more to change up the Star Trek aesthetic than the Kelvin films have.