Guess the continuity errors!
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
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You beat me to it. Especially the last one - having alien races prior to pre-established Federation first contact with them.
I'll had
• Holodeck or holodeck like device
• Only ridged Klingons. Not that I would have minded. In my head canon the Klingons have always had ridges and that line in DS9, along with the Augment arc, is the abberation
• Klingon cloaking devices? Hmm... was that canon that they got them from Romulans?
• I'll second the suggestion that Romulans will show up despite TOS specifically stating no contact since the war
• Visiting places that were "newly discovered" in the TNG era
• Warp scale will not be TOS. But, then again, warp was always a factor of plot
Some wiggle room on both of those.
The Ferengi weren't unknown. Groppler Zorn mentions them in "Encounter At Farpoint" and Picards recognizes the name. In "The Last Outpost" the Ferengi are identified as the ones who stole the T9 converter from Gamma Tauri IV. They have some intel on them, even if it's third hand and contradictory. Though in retrospect, it's pretty accurate. And of course, there are those Ferengi who popped up in the 20th Century. Might be some records from that little incident.
And we must remember the Ferengi aren't very forth coming about their identities.
So it's possible Ferengi have been in Federation space for centuries. I once joke the First Federation were actually Ferengi.
The Borg is a little trickier. But between the El Aurian refugees, the Hansens little expedition and even Admiral Hansen's tactical team one could surmise the Borg were classified need to know long before "Q Who?", and Picard didn't need to know. All the events of "Q Who" did was give the threat a name. Then there are those Borg who popped up in the 21st Century. Might be some records from that little incident (Okay, maybe just the raving of an old man)
The Borg weren't big on introductions at first , they preferred to get to the point
Q Who said:
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They weren't shy about their identities with the Velakians and Menk. Just observing.
I expect they will largely try to preserve Prime Timeline narrative and historical continuity while mostly going their own way in terms of production design, visuals, costumes, technology, etc. Even then I think they'll probably make an effort to evoke the classic TOS look in various ways, perhaps more so than anyone expects, without being slavishly devoted to them.
Personally, I don't have a problem with this. My own re-design of the TOS Enterprise was based heavily on the idea that TOS itself was merely a '60s-era interpretation of "actual" future events. Now we're going to get the 2010s-era interpretation.
Personally, I don't have a problem with this. My own re-design of the TOS Enterprise was based heavily on the idea that TOS itself was merely a '60s-era interpretation of "actual" future events. Now we're going to get the 2010s-era interpretation.
You'd have to refresh my memory on their interactions with them.
We don't even know when they were all made.
Nope, but the whole thing is a Gordian knot of logic. I think there's like 17 Constitution class ships from the final production list plus what is on screen, but Kirk says there's only 12. I've already done a whole thread on this, so it's a headache. Some of them had to not be around, and there are one's we get the indication were around in the 2250s, so given that whole problem, something is bound to go awry.
There have been times in history when naval officers would have a ridiculous number of different uniforms, so the new series will get a pass from me if the uniforms don't conform to Cage era uniforms.
We may never see any Connies in the new series, certainly there no guarantee.
Just one captain among thousands.
This would be awful, having both (separately) on ENT was a heavy mistake.
Invent new species.
But what if they could fix or improve the old species and bring to the forefront that which speaks to today's audience?
For example, the Ferengi at their core are the epitome of capitalistic greed, something that is still in the forefront of our culture. Tone their look way down or better still, change it completely and expand on the relevant stuff. Don't make them camp, make them a more complex, disturbing mirror of 21st century humanity's avarice.
The same for the Borg. Get rid of their gear and the cubes and all that overt weird stuff including forced assimilation (why force it when people join willingly), and you have the whole improvements through technology angle which is also becoming more and more relevant. Instead of a literal hive mind, have it more like giving up your individuality to join the elite club only to find you might regret it.
Take what is still relevant and works as a concept and get rid of the rest. Continuity be damned.
Just a thought.
For example, the Ferengi at their core are the epitome of capitalistic greed, something that is still in the forefront of our culture. Tone their look way down or better still, change it completely and expand on the relevant stuff. Don't make them camp, make them a more complex, disturbing mirror of 21st century humanity's avarice.
The same for the Borg. Get rid of their gear and the cubes and all that overt weird stuff including forced assimilation (why force it when people join willingly), and you have the whole improvements through technology angle which is also becoming more and more relevant. Instead of a literal hive mind, have it more like giving up your individuality to join the elite club only to find you might regret it.
Take what is still relevant and works as a concept and get rid of the rest. Continuity be damned.
Just a thought.
The number can always change. New ships are built, others are retired or destroyed. What was current when Kirk said that line, may not be current a month or even a week later.
But if you are going to change old ones beyond the point of recognition why not just create new ones? I would love to see a segment of the human population become linked through technology or who have uploaded themselves into a computer. I think we could get away with showing that even in Kirk's era and prior, there as very advanced and diverse technology and that many f the people we see have simply chosen not to incorporate it into their lives. There are probably many earth colonies where people are genetically engineered to live for thousands of years, but many humans also believe that a natural lifespan is better. Kind of like how in the TMP novelization there is a group of humans who are more advanced in some ways but that makes them less suitable for space exploration.
Start with the premise that TOS and TNG were extraordinarily prescient when it came to many future technologies, and they weren't afraid to take risky guesses. Many of these guesses ended up paying off down the road, and even shaping the course of real technology.
When given the choice between cannon/continuity vs making some adjustments to account for the last 50 years of tech and history, it would be INSANE, IRRATIONAL, and REGRESSIVE to stick with the former whenever there is a conflict.
There are already so many continuity errors in ST. A few more to account for what modern audiences know about technology will not hurt anyone. As long as the core spirit of the show remains in place, it will be great. A slavish adherence to the details of 50 years of cannon is suicidal and backwards thinking.
When given the choice between cannon/continuity vs making some adjustments to account for the last 50 years of tech and history, it would be INSANE, IRRATIONAL, and REGRESSIVE to stick with the former whenever there is a conflict.
There are already so many continuity errors in ST. A few more to account for what modern audiences know about technology will not hurt anyone. As long as the core spirit of the show remains in place, it will be great. A slavish adherence to the details of 50 years of cannon is suicidal and backwards thinking.
I'd rather see a new species (multiple species) than revamp the Ferengi. There were plenty of examples of capitalism and avarice during TOS, so run with that established idea.
Make the species of greed either a block of current Federation Members, or a capitalist republic (not a evil empire) adjacent to the Federation, a non-military competitor who reoccur once or twice a season.
Compete for allies, planets, natural resources, trade routes. Stuff like that.
I like those ideas. They should definitely create new ones, but it's hard to do, especially when ramping up a whole new universe in the beginning. This way they can use some of the old familiar to move things along while they start seeding the new and see what sticks.
I would agree if we were discussing the writing of a textbook. But Star Trek is a science fiction story. As science fiction, it has a certain responsibility to speculate within the boundaries of actual science as it develops (read: Still no lightsabers); but as a story it has a responsibility to be internally consistent as much as possible. For a story to be believable and relatable, even a science fiction one, internal consistency is more important than scientific accuracy.
With all the ridiculously advanced tech that solves the problems for the character (so they don't have to do it), magical medical holograms which know every possible medical procedure, magical replicators, magical etc..
Maybe the show shouldn't be aiming for "easy?"
Canon shouldn't be treated as something that has to be gotten around, if they put a little thought into it, TPTB can work within established continuity.
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You can get away with not having magical tech by simply having it be classified or not widely implemented. 16 years after VOY and the general tech level needn't be much more advanced than VOY. All Borg tech is classified and not in use.
"Yes, it would solve all our problems but we don't like to use it."
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