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Why isn't Star Trek a big movie franchise?
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Not even close. I'm not overly fond of Iron Man 2 or the Thor films, but even they are better than Beyond.
And I respectfully and fully disagree. I sadly conisder most of the mcu movies generic mindless entertainment for kids like transformers.
star trek even at its weakest is superior to every mcu movie for me.
ST 09, STID and Beyond are better than every MCU movie
I disagree with both points for different reasons.
The MCU is hit and miss for me, but when it is on (Avengers) I'll watch that over Beyond.
ST 09 and ST ID are superior to many MCU and most DC films.
The MCU is hit and miss for me, but when it is on (Avengers) I'll watch that over Beyond.
ST 09 and ST ID are superior to many MCU and most DC films.
'K, I know you guys love to escalate, just to see how far you can get away with ratcheting it up, but it's time both of you dialed it back a notch. Maybe two or three.WTF? This proves that you have reading comprehension problems. WHEN did I do that??? Find one post FROM ME where I imply that!!!
Unless you're thinking of a different member's posts. In which case… EVERYONE is similar if you deliberately ignore all of the reasons why they're not.
And to Averof: please don't run the "reading comprehension" jab in here, thinking nobody knows you're calling the other guy stupid. It fools no one, and a sneaky flame is still a flame. I have warned for it in the past, and I may opt to do so if I see it from you again.
Three attempts... four... who's counting, right? All I know is if you're going around that many times arguing about a Star Wars movie, you're in the wrong damn forum and need to take it over here.Only my third attempt? I'm so far behind? You'll have to excuse me. It's because of the holidays and all! Anyway here's my fourth snarky attempt to imply that TFA is a shot-by-shot copy of ANH.
Point taken. Questionable remark edited out.
You know, I wish I could agree. Trek is my first and true love. I'd love it to be the superior franchise. Sadly, in my opinion anyway, the new films started off O.K. and steadily declined. I had high hopes for Beyond as Pegg was writing but I sent a one word review to a friend when I came out of the cinema -
Drivel.
mcu has 14 movies and not one of their villains felt like a threat like Khan in STID.
STID also has better acting than the mcu movies and superior cinematography than the mcu movies and better fight chorography than the mcu.
We all have our preferences. But, I think the sheer performance of the Marvel movies show that they have found a better formula for success than Paramount has with Trek.
Depends on the film. I thought Loki, Ronan and Red Skull were all appropriately terrifying. Red Skull could actually be an interesting tie in with Khan, given the genetic engineering.
Kind of why I wanted John Harrison to be S31's super soldier answer to the Klingon threat. Wuld have been a different take on genetic engineering in the Star Trek world.
Kind of why I wanted John Harrison to be S31's super soldier answer to the Klingon threat. Wuld have been a different take on genetic engineering in the Star Trek world.
Also, this.
Star Trek isn't really in the minds eye as the other franchises. Marvel brings out stuff at least twice a year, DC is starting to get into the movie game to the extent of Marvel but they have a pretty successful TV following, and Star Wars is Star Wars. When you have 3 movies in 7 years (And one of those movies was not all that great, from a critical perspective), it's hard for Trek to really build any momentum. What sucks is this was the 50th anniversary and Star Trek feels obsolete right now.
And it might continue to head that way. Hopefully, DSC will provide the boost to Star Trek's visibility, with a renewed sense of optimism and adventure.
It is true, the MCU's biggest weakness is its villains, who aside from Loki all suck. And Loki only works because of Tom Hiddleston's performance.
I hope so. We need all the optimism we can get these days.
We got to make our own optimism. Star Trek can't be the only reason for a hopeful future. Mostly because, Star Trek has begun to lose it's relevancy and I'm not the only one who has this feeling.
So, we need to make our own optimism.
the formula is my problem with the mcu. their formula is sadly making bad kiddie friendly movies for the masses but critics and everyone will give it a pass because they are fun and because disney has good pr.
star trek has just never been a big box office maker compared to superhero movies. I think paramount should just accept that. most trek fans have always feared that paramount is trying to dumb down trek just for box offifce sucess. (hence, the first trailer for beyond). Paramount should not have to dumb down trek. we already have many dumbed down movies in cinemas and mcu movies are leading the way in that area
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I think that, even after the 2009 reboot, the name ‘Star Trek’ carries too much baggage for the average moviegoer. To get more people in cinemas you’d also have to start creating a bigger fanbase. When you look at Marvel or Star Wars, they’ve got comic books and TV-shows aimed at kids. So when they grow up they’re more likely to buy a ticket when a movie comes out. Downside of course is that any potential Star Trek movie could be ‘dumbed’ down to just a spectacle of action and explosions.
Kinda like what happened in Star Trek since 2009.
I would argue that it's not "dumbed down" but utilized more effects and a contemporary style of filmmaking that was new to the franchise. All three films have character development and story arcs that are similar to stories told in Trek's past. It's just done at a faster pace and gets ignored, at least from my reading on this and other forums.
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