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The Return of Doctor Mysterio (Grade & Discussion Thread

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Remember, Grant was living as he thought a superhero should, but he was also influenced by the Doctor's comments about how Lois should have known he was Superman. I think Grant wore the glasses because Clark Kent wore glasses, but wore the mask because of the Doctor's comment.

I also think that since the gem was granting his wish, he was able to influence Lucy to never suspect him as the Ghost, again, due to the Doctor's comment. There were times when it seems she should have known they were one and the same (I thought they were going to make more of his monitor going off on television just as the baby was crying), and yet, she seems to shrug it off. I'm chalking that up to the gem feeding off of Grant's desires.
 
I was thinking they would pull a twist that she was also a creation of the gem. Maybe a bit too heavy to squeeze into the last few minutes of a Christmas special though.
 
Hmm. Nope. Didn't enjoy it much. I'll watch again, but I don't have much hope it'll get better.
 
I enjoyed it and it made me smile. The scene with the squeaky toy appealed to me.
Nardole can fly the tardis now? Seems a bit much but I enjoyed his line about being a wise and beneficent ruler after taking a few wrong turns.
 
There were times when it seems she should have known they were one and the same (I thought they were going to make more of his monitor going off on television just as the baby was crying), and yet, she seems to shrug it off. I'm chalking that up to the gem feeding off of Grant's desires.

...or maybe she's just a bit thick.

I was thinking they would pull a twist that she was also a creation of the gem. Maybe a bit too heavy to squeeze into the last few minutes of a Christmas special though.

I thought the next twist would be that Grant was also the baby's father in a different disguise, or perhaps it was the Doctor, or even Nardole.
 
...or maybe she's just a bit thick.

Unfortunately, Occam's Razor does not apply to Doctor Who, in fact, most often with the show, the reverse is true: "When you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the more complex one is less boring."
 
She's meant to be a bit thick when it comes to his secret identity because she is Lois Lane - that's the point.
 
I'm not sure that I'd call any version of Lois Lane "thick." She's an investigative reporter for a major metropolitan newspaper. She's on top of things. Even in her worst phase -- the Silver Age, when she's trying to prove that Clark and Superman are one and the same -- she clearly suspects the truth, but she can't prove it because Superman is, frankly, an enormous dick who has no compunction against gaslighting her. Post-Crisis, we got past that, and post-Byrne she was in on the secret altogether.
 
Well the overnight figures are in at it got around 5.7m viewers in the UK. It's still likely to be the most watch Drama show on Christmas Day.
 
I'm not sure that I'd call any version of Lois Lane "thick." She's an investigative reporter for a major metropolitan newspaper. She's on top of things. Even in her worst phase -- the Silver Age, when she's trying to prove that Clark and Superman are one and the same -- she clearly suspects the truth, but she can't prove it because Superman is, frankly, an enormous dick who has no compunction against gaslighting her. Post-Crisis, we got past that, and post-Byrne she was in on the secret altogether.

The version I like is that Lois is just utterly fixated on her work to the detriment of her personal life. So she sees Superman as a Story and pursues him relentlessly, but she sees Clark as a competitor or as an unimportant farm hick and just doesn't notice him that closely. True, Superman awakens feelings in her that are more than professional, but it's because he starts out as the Story of the Century to her that she's psychologically able to pay so much attention to him in the first place, opening the door to other feelings that it wouldn't occur to her to explore with a colleague or work rival. I think that's basically how Lois & Clark went at it initially, although that didn't still work once L&C were actually dating and she still didn't notice the obvious resemblance.
 
Well the writers of Lois and Clark did call attention to the fact that she hadn't noticed.

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That's my one abiding memory of Lois and Clark (and I did like the show!)
 
Well the writers of Lois and Clark did call attention to the fact that she hadn't noticed.

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Yeah, but people overlook the later scene where H.G. Wells offers a more generous interpretation of why Lois didn't see the resemblance. I don't remember exactly what it was, and I wasn't entirely convinced by it, but it was a nicer sentiment than Tempus's "stupidest reporter who ever lived" spiel.
 
Well the overnight figures are in at it got around 5.7m viewers in the UK. It's still likely to be the most watch Drama show on Christmas Day.

I think Strictly won the night with 7.2 million so everything was low, people just don't watch live TV on Christmas as much as they use too. The finals will boost all the shows pretty well though and I imagine Doctor Who will break 7 million so in the end a solid night.
 
For a wonderful deconstruction of Silver Age Lois Lane and her insane obsession for Superman's secret identity, I suggest the second issue of "Astro City - Local Heroes".

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It's a bittersweet homage to the Silver Age (and a self-contained story!)
 
I enjoyed the episode and did recognise the Superman comic as a John Byrne era issue from the artwork, though I didn't have the specific issues to hand to check which issue(s) it was. I also own the issue of 'Detective Comics' that Grant had a poster of on his wall. As for the episode I fully expected him to lose his powers before it ended, probably at an inopportune moment requiring the Dr. to come to the rescue. That it didn't happens brings up some interesting questions. If he has the same powers and power levels as Superman, where was he when... take your pick and insert any major Doctor Who or real-world event of the last few years or indeed to come.
 
If he has the same powers and power levels as Superman, where was he when... take your pick and insert any major Doctor Who or real-world event of the last few years or indeed to come.
He broke an "indestructible" window snapping his fingers. I doubt it was a sonic boom, then it must have been a form of telekinesis or otherwise. However it is a different power from those of Superman.
 
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