Quite right -- I should have included "this year."
Paramount going ahead with ST4 according to Engage
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Quite right -- I should have included "this year."
That's a reasonable concern, but at some point the actors have to be reasonable as well. As stated above, for most of them Star Trek is far and away their biggest money-maker too. They're all talented, but none are superstars.
The issue about current contracts expiring after 4 isn't really a concern. Contracts can always be renegotiated or extended if it's in everyone's best interests. If nu4 is a commercial success for Paramount, new contracts can always be signed for an extension of the film series.
If not, it's also probable that a decade from now many of the people in this current cast will be on convention circuits talking about how much TPTB should let them make another one. Like many of the TNG'ers, they'll miss it when it's gone.
Either way, nu4 seems to be the fork in the road.
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About two years ago there were mutterings of a TNG reboot...
(This presupposes that ST4(a) does not close out a 'Kelvin Universe' loop and Paramount is not sold to someone who has other ideas about retaining the 'Trek' movie franchise)
About two years ago there were mutterings of a TNG reboot...
(This presupposes that ST4(a) does not close out a 'Kelvin Universe' loop and Paramount is not sold to someone who has other ideas about retaining the 'Trek' movie franchise)
To be honest, with the way Paramount has screwed up all attempts at marketing these films and lost forms of side revenue, I almost wish someone like Disney would buy the franchise.
There's absolutely no reason for Beyond to have done so poorly at the box office besides a lackluster and scattershot marketing campaign. During the 50th anniversary, no less.
Disney seems to get that Star Wars is a film series people want to share generationally from grandparents to parents to kids and so on. Star Trek is like that, too, but neither Paramount nor CBS seems to get it or capitalize on it.
ouch. I did not know that. paramount is in terrible shape compared to disney and WB. I thought they had more film series than the star trek films. I hope we get a trek 4
I'd be 100% fine with Disney buying Star Trek. Paramount and CBS don't know what the hell they're doing.
I'll accept that Discovery might be good but cmon, CBS. Making it subscription only WITH ads?
All the Starfleet officers should have known, especially after the 'if we are going to go by the book like lt.Saavik' dialogue. I am surprised Khan even fell for it, but then, there's wiggle room to suggest he didn't fall for it and really really wanted another shot at blowing Kirk and Enterprise away. That would also explain why he didn't just blow up the moon (and saved the genesis device presumably for ceti alpha six) and then pop the enterprise.
Disney buying Trek would be like the ultimate dream at this point.... Paramount is doing terrible work... The 4 year gap between Trek '09 and STID was unforgivable.... The marketing for especially Beyond was downright horrible.... Trek is the greatest franchise ever, but it's in the hands of the worst of the 'big' studios...
it can be argued that only Zoe and Chris are almost A list/B list (Zoe is currently represented by the CAA agency) but those who are worried about that can put their concerns at rest. Zoe is bigger than Urban (and more useful in promotion?) but the latter still renegotiated his contract and replaced her as the third top billed for Beyond, this in spite of the fact that promotion, especially outside of the us, still focuses on Zoe, Chris and Zach . Unless you think Karl got the same money Chris did, it's safe to assume he got much less as a secondary guy and Zoe got even less. Thank Hollywood for being still problematic in 2016 I guess, but that's the way it is. You should maybe be more worried about one of the dudes not coming back (after all, Karl didn't want to and only did when he got what he asked) than Zoe.
if she was working for paycheck only, her IMDb page would be shorter now (sad as it sounds this is hollywood)
I think that, regardless, if the people behind this trek had truly understood what a gold mine a big franchise can be, they would've used the potential the reboot created as another independent reality and thus created pretexts, inspirations, to make more movies even outside of this cast. They could make endless spin offs if only they created a big universe that gives people a reason to want more of it even away from the enterprise.
The worst part about Into Darkness-to me-is the Khan "secret." I like Cumberbatch and I like his Khan. But it would have been great if they'd had him throw in a little flamboyance. And, seriously, a line about Marcus surgically altering Khan's appearance would have been fantastic.
IIRC they almost had Benicio Del Toro and then Javier Bardem on board. If they'd gone with them I doubt they could have or would have done the whole Khan "secret" thing.
Edit: And I know that was JJ's doing but, really? Paramount didn't want to tease one of Star Trek's best known villains?
Actually, Abrams claims it was Paramount's wish to keep Khan a secret. The logic being that if word got out that Khan was in the movie, the continuity it implied would scare away casual moviegoers. But yeah, I agree it is completely stupid to have one of the franchise's most iconic villains, and then not make that part of the marketing and promotion. Some people call Khan Captain Kirk's Joker. But can you imagine if a Batman movie tried to make the Joker's presence in the movie a secret? Wouldn't happen. Hell, the Joker was barely in Suicide Squad and yet he was the face of the movie's promotional effort. If Khan really is the equivalent for Star Trek, then he too should have been front and center for STID's marketing. And really, saying "the Enterprise crew fight Khan" would have turned more heads than saying "the Enterprise crew fight someone" did.
I too wish Disney would just buy Trek. We'd have a hell of a lot more product out there by now. Let's face it, love them or hate them, they know how to market a franchise. Paramount have done a pathetic job managing Trek in recent years.
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Paramount seems to half ass a lot of things these days. It's less like "look how exciting this is!" and more "we made some films, go see them or whatever." I just visited their page. They had promos for a whole bunch of films I haven't seen hide nor hair of on TV or the internet. I'm on Facebook every day, I browse the internet every day. I watch TV, I watch movies, and yet half the films they were advertising on their main site I'd never heard about.
On the back of the DVD it does , no doubt for the reason you mention
^^I don't know, but it sure stinks to me of failure when the movie's plot twist is given away on the DVD packaging. Imagine for a moment that DVD/Blu-ray releases happened as quickly back in the 80s (and even existed, I guess) as they do now, you're looking at the packaging blurb for Empire Strikes Back in the fall of 1980, which includes something like "with Darth Vader searching the galaxy for his son Luke Skywalker..."
Way different times, way different situations.
1) Anybody who cares that he's Khan already knows he's Khan. If you have an Internet connection, you know.
2) His being Khan doesn't change anything plot wise. It's not really a twist. He's still a terrorist bad guy. He just changes names partway through.
3) Admiral Marcus being the villian is the actual plot twist.
1) Anybody who cares that he's Khan already knows he's Khan. If you have an Internet connection, you know.
2) His being Khan doesn't change anything plot wise. It's not really a twist. He's still a terrorist bad guy. He just changes names partway through.
3) Admiral Marcus being the villian is the actual plot twist.
That plot 'twist' is telegraphed to all the first time Marcus is shown onscreen.
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