Spoilers Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - Grading & Discussion

[Venardhi]

It looks like they captured several rebel ships at the end there, so while I don't disagree that their deaths made sense for the plot, I guess we're supposed to accept that Rebels are chomping cyanide capsules or Vader was so angry about the plans getting away that he killed literally everyone on board.

Now that I think about it, having that Mon-Cal order the ship to self-destruct while he transmitted to Leia's ship at the edge of the system would have helped justify that she was their last lead. . . or involved at all.

 

[DimesDan]

Possibly the same jump again, one from Vader's point of view and the other from Leia's?

I don't recall the ship jumping to lightspeed in front of Vader's view.

Once pulling out from the Flagship, the Tantive IV pulls away at sublight speed and then after Leia is given the plans, the ship makes the jump to lightspeed.

 

[Reverend]

One wonders what kind of failsafe security precautions the rebels have placed on their navicomputers if the only way to find where they came from is to torture it out of Leia. I mean I assume those things keep a log of previous jumps and they certainly left enough wreckage floating around for Imperial techs to do a forensic reconstruction.
Encryption can always be broken eventually, so I'm thinking something more drastic like a small EMP generator and an explosive charge strapped to the memory core.

 

[Tuskin38]

That "Choke on your ambition" line didn't bother me at all. Vader had similar lines in the OT.

Maybe not quite on the nose as that one, but he had snark.

So did the emperor.

 

[Reverend]

Also don't forget Anakin wasn't exactly above quipping.

 

[DonIago]

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."

'Nuff said.

 

[DonIago]

One wonders what kind of failsafe security precautions the rebels have placed on their navicomputers if the only way to find where they came from is to torture it out of Leia. I mean I assume those things keep a log of previous jumps and they certainly left enough wreckage floating around for Imperial techs to do a forensic reconstruction.
Encryption can always be broken eventually, so I'm thinking something more drastic like a small EMP generator and an explosive charge strapped to the memory core.

Knowing there was a good chance they might be captured, perhaps the Rebels purged or altered their logs.

 

[Reverend]

Knowing there was a good chance they might be captured, perhaps the Rebels purged or altered their logs.

Then how would they jump back? The co-ordinates would still have to be stored somewhere.

 

[Venardhi]

That "Choke on your ambition" line didn't bother me at all. Vader had similar lines in the OT.

Maybe not quite on the nose as that one, but he had snark.

So did the emperor.

"I find your lack of faith disturbing."

'Nuff said.

There is a vast chasm of difference between the two. One is snarky and a power play against someone who is assuming authority over him. The other is a bad pun.

 

[B.J.]

Then how would they jump back? The co-ordinates would still have to be stored somewhere.

You don't need to purge the coordinates, just your jump logs. They probably have coordinates of every known system in their navicomputer, which wouldn't give anything away.

 

[Tuskin38]

There is a vast chasm of difference between the two. One is snarky and a power play against someone who is assuming authority over him. The other is a bad pun.

"Apology accepted, Captain Needa"

Well that is more irony then a pun.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Possibly the same jump again, one from Vader's point of view and the other from Leia's?

I don't recall the ship jumping to lightspeed in front of Vader's view.

I had thought about that but shouldn't they have been moving away from the planet when Vader watches them escape? But they are in orbit before they jump. If this really is the same moment from different angle where are all the other ships?

 

[Reverend]

You don't need to purge the coordinates, just your jump logs. They probably have coordinates of every known system in their navicomputer, which wouldn't give anything away.

Maybe I'm just thinking of the old EU lore, but I was under the impression that for the fighters at least, most navicomputers could only store a limited number of co-ordinate sets, hence the need for an astromech co-pilot to help calculate the jumps. Honestly that never made much sense to me.

"Apology accepted, Captain Needa"

Well that is more irony then a pun.

See also: -
"You have failed me for the last time Admiral"
"An now your highness we will "discuss" the location of your hidden rebel base"
"All too easy."
"Impressive....*most* impressive."
"I am altering the deal, PREY I don't alter it any further."
"We would be *honoured* if you would join us."

Puns, quips, irony, sarcasm and ominously veiled threats, these are all things Vader has always done. Indeed, the whole banquet table set-up on Bespin positively wreaks of hammy theatrics. But that's the kind of villain Vader is. Indeed, prior to Rogue One, 90% of Vader's menace has been the things he's said to people. Aside from the space battle in ANH, we only ever saw him fight other Jedi and that was one-on-one. The only time we saw him personally kill anyone other than his own people was Captain Antillies at the opening of ANH.

 

[Venardhi]

None of those are puns. They're theatrical, a combination of his character and the fact that this is a movie and no one falls over their words or is at a loss for them unless dramatically relevant. Darth Vader relishes in his power over people and likes to show it off to instill fear in others to draw more power from that fear. His blasé attitude is part of that performance but he isn't just straight up making jokes. Saying "Don't choke on your ambition" after choking him in a private audience sounds like he is just amusing himself and should have a wheezy snort following it as he walks away.

 

[Robert Simmons]

I liked it. It has more Peter Cushing Tarkin. How can anybody not like more Peter Cushing Tarkin?

 

[Venardhi]

It wasn't though. It was Guy Henry with a digital Peter Cushing mask.

 

[Robert Simmons]

It wasn't though. It was Guy Henry with a digital Peter Cushing mask.

I know. I was being coy.

 

[Tuskin38]

Ah but one or two of his lines were recordings from A New Hope, so there is some audio Cushing in there.

Pretty sure 'You may fire when ready' was lifted right from ANH.

 

[gamer1]

I just gave it A+. I thought the movie was fantastic, especially the ending, to finally get interesting background on Darth Vader, how he lived and also see just how brutal he could be. Wow! I wanted to see ANH as soon as I got home. They really did it with this movie, much better then last years movie.

 

[Robert Simmons]

All kidding aside I give it a A+. I knew going in about the digital Peter Cushing with Henry's acting and digital Leia. I was very pessimistic going in nervous after the reshoots. From all advanced indicators I was expecting a big fat royal bust and goose egg of a movie. My early training as a animator is good enough to identify "on model" and "off model" that the average person would miss. Now saying that the digital Cushing Tarkin surprised me by how well it came off. Maybe it was cause I watched it in 3D why it didn't stand out ( pun ) as bad. Yes if Cushing were alive would he brought more to the role? Most definately. Henry should get equal pay and end credit billing for the performance as Cushing in the end credits since it was his acting despite emulating Cushing's acting in the role. But the end performance as delivered went a long way in carrying his role. Wayne Pygram in episode 3 was close but still felt off at a distance. This treatment in RO sold me. Granted anything 1.0 when it is rolled out is rough around the edges, especially Peter Cushing 2.0 as seen in this film. But despite the flaws I was damn near in tears just watching the performance. Remember I was cynical about this appearance going in to the theatre. I applaud John Knoll for not only even having the balls to face such a monumental task head on but having the confidence to suggest a digital Peter Cushing. He get's a huge whistling standing ovation from me over this. As long as the actor, their estate heirs are ok with it I see no problem with it as long as the permission from them is secured first and they are paid what the actor would have been paid if they were still alive. The digital Carrie Fisher looked awkward I think due to the brief shot of her from the final 3/4 facial view which is extremely tough. If this is the first rollout of full blown live action full length scenes with digital actors then it only can get better from here. The only ones who most likely have a problem with the CGI Tarkin and Fisher are those who might think they might have a shot of auditioning for the role. Empire Strikes Back has been my favorite SW move of all time with ROTS a close second. Give it time RO may soon slip into the #1 slot for me. They took on a ton of stuff in this film that was screaming a disaster waiting to happen. I am so glad it didn't. This literally is the Star Wars movie I have been waiting for since Empire Strike Back was released in 1980.

EDIT: Years ago I had an old acquaintance who became an industry professional animator say, "If you want to continue to enjoy animation....DON'T become a professional. Don't even study it. Cause I now can't now watch anything without every little thing jumping out and slapping me in the face without me fighting the urge to whip out the Ginsu knives and tearing it to pieces. Nowadays I now have to blank my mind and ask Do I like this? After that then I can tear it apart under the lense of being a professional." My review of Rogue One is rooted in the understanding that we have too many professional and aspiring to be professionals grading it expecting the harshness of their individual critiques to make people take them seriously. The performances in the end are so good that your average Joe and Jill Beercan public is not going to care about the flaws. And in the end I think their opinion is what is going to count in how this movie will be recieved despite what butthurt serious reviewers have not being taken with a grain of salt by the public. I think we have too many professionals getting their hits early on drowning out those who love this film. To me the harsh reviews to me come off as sour grapes that they weren't part of it.