The Librarians--Season 3

[RJDiogenes]

So this was a pretty good episode, although I wish the Werewolves had been more werewolfy. Anubus being the original Werewolf was a pretty clever idea.

Jenkins had a couple of good parts, with his wolfsbane tea and his jump off the cliff. "I'm immortal, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt."

And if Flynn is out searching for Charlene, that means she'll be back in a future episode. She's probably out there plotting against Apep, since he killed her harem-- plus she was pretty agitated about the situation to begin with. It was quite a revelation that she started out as Judson's Guardian. That puts Eve's position in a whole new perspective.

The "fetch" gag was hilarious.

 

[Greg Cox]

I always suspected that Charlene was a retired Guardian. Nice that was finally confirmed . . . in a big way.

 

[Christopher]

Man -- John Larroquette is a fine actor, but he needs to work on his pronunciations. In this episode ("And the Tears of a Clown"), he said "trans-more-grified" for "transmogrified" and pronounced "lacunar amnesia" as "lucanar."

Is this a recycled Warehouse 13 script, or a deliberate homage to that show? They're tossing around the word "artifact" for a magical object, something The Librarians has never done before but that was part of the standard vocabulary of W13, and they even referenced W13's premise that the creation of artifacts arises from the emotional significance of an object to their owner. It's really weird. It's like watching a Star Wars Rebels episode and having them start talking about phasers and dilithium.

And while it's nice to see Felicia Day, this rather quiet and passive one-shot guest character was kind of a waste of her talents. I'd heard she was going to be in this season, but I was hoping for some kind of important recurring role.

 

[Greg Cox]

I'm pretty sure they've used "artifacts" before on THE LIBRARIANS. I tend to use "relics" or "documents" or "collections" in the novels, for variety's sake, but I remember them talking about artifacts going missing and such.

Note, by the way, that tonight's ep was directed by Jonathan Frakes.

 

[Christopher]

I'm pretty sure they've used "artifacts" before on THE LIBRARIANS. I tend to use "relics" or "documents" or "collections" in the novels, for variety's sake, but I remember them talking about artifacts going missing and such.

Maybe. But the usage here was exactly like Warehouse 13's usage, so that it stood out for me in a way it never has before.

I mean, that's always been the main difference between the two shows -- The Librarians is about full-fledged magic and myth, while W13 was more about objects associated with famous people and having paranormal abilities connected to those people's attributes. For instance, the Warehouse team might go after J.R.R. Tolkien's wedding ring while the Librarians might deal with an actual dragon's treasure hoard. But here they were talking about an otherwise ordinary, pre-existing object imbued with supernatural power because of its emotional resonance to its owner. That's not just a single word, that is the exact fantasy premise at the core of Warehouse 13's mythos. The only difference is that they slapped on a "close to a ley line" clause to fit it into this show's universe.

 

[Kahless the Unforgettable]

Maybe. But the usage here was exactly like Warehouse 13's usage, so that it stood out for me in a way it never has before.

How the hell else would you use it in relation to the show? o.O

And you make it sound like Warehouse 13 coined the term or something.

 

[RJDiogenes]

"Don't correct me!" "Don't be wrong."

This was a pretty good episode for me, since I have a soft spot for carnival stories. It was fun seeing everyone turned into sideshow attractions, and they did a nice job with two-headed Eve-- and I liked how her second head was a bit less uptight. I just wish that Mermaid Cassandra could have stuck around a bit longer.

It's always nice to see Felicia Day pop up, and I like how her character took the initiative to trick magic guy out of his magic flower. I thought that kid at the beginning would somehow figure into the resolution, but he just disappeared into the ether-- apparently the writer never heard of Chekov's Phaser.

Note, by the way, that tonight's ep was directed by Jonathan Frakes.

He's done a few of them. I thought I saw him listed as a co-producer, but I don't see anything on Wiki or IMDB, so I must have been hallucinating.

 

[Greg Cox]

He's done a few of them. I thought I saw him listed as a co-producer, but I don't see anything on Wiki or IMDB, so I must have been hallucinating.

No, I think you're right about that. I believe he is listed in the credits as an Executive Producer or something similar. He also directed two out of the original three TV-movies.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

I think he's listed as Supervising Producer.

 

[JD]

I just noticed I haven't posted in the thread yet, so I just wanted to stop in and say I'm really enjoying the season so far.
This week's was pretty good. It was fun seeing Sean Astin play a bad guy, I still tend to think of him as Sam from LOTR. I'm trying to remember, didn't his character also turn out to be a bad guy in The Strain Season 1?
It was fun seeing Felicia Hardy too.
I think the artefact thing was just a coincidence, all they were doing here was try to show how magic being back out in the world is effecting people. This kind of story is petty common in fantasy, so it's not anything unique to W13. Friday the 13th: The Series (which had no connection to the Jason Vorhees movies), had a similar premise, although that time they were objects from a cursed antique shop.

 

[Greg Cox]

The idea, as evidenced by the final scene in which they set up the New Artifacts wing, is that magical items are no longer simply relics from the mythic past. Now that wild magic has once been unleashed into the world, new magical items are coming into being--just as, say, Excalibur or the Golden Fleece or whatever did back in the day.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

It was fun seeing Felicia Hardy too.

I think you mean Felicia Day. Otherwise, I missed the Black Cat cameo.

 

[Christopher]

It was fun seeing Sean Astin play a bad guy, I still tend to think of him as Sam from LOTR.

These days I mainly think of him as Raphael from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (the current animated series).

 

[JD]

I think you mean Felicia Day. Otherwise, I missed the Black Cat cameo.

Oops, I was just reading an interview one of the Spider-Man comic artists, so I guess I must have still been thinking of Spidey characters when I wrote that.

 

[Greg Cox]

I liked that they didn't give us a sentimental ending where Kirby got the girl in the end ("You don't need magic to impress me, Kirby," etc.), but made it clear that, somewhere along the way, he had crossed the line from shy, lovelorn teen to creepy stalker. He didn't get a free pass because he was just doing it for Love ...

Loved the wheelbarrow joke, too.

 

[Christopher]

I liked that they didn't give us a sentimental ending where Kirby got the girl in the end ("You don't need magic to impress me, Kirby," etc.), but made it clear that, somewhere along the way, he had crossed the line from shy, lovelorn teen to creepy stalker. He didn't get a free pass because he was just doing it for Love ...

Yeah, and there's also the fact that he kidnapped, tortured, and hurt a lot of people in his obsessive pursuit of one person.

 

[Kahless the Unforgettable]

This is the first episode that I just couldn't make it all the way through. Hell, I honestly can't even remember where it was I turned it off; somewhere around the 25-30 minute mark, though.

Not a good sign.

 

[danellis]

...
I think the artefact thing was just a coincidence, all they were doing here was try to show how magic being back out in the world is effecting people. This kind of story is petty common in fantasy, so it's not anything unique to W13. Friday the 13th: The Series (which had no connection to the Jason Vorhees movies), had a similar premise, although that time they were objects from a cursed antique shop.

I got a very W13y vibe from the episode too (which is not necessarily a bad thing, because I loved that show), the "modern artefacts wing" felt to me like it could've come out of W13.

Is it my imagination, or have all the episodes this year (at least the last three on the trot) revolved around them having lost their memory and having to figure out where they got to where they are?

dJE

 

[RJDiogenes]

No, I think you're right about that. I believe he is listed in the credits as an Executive Producer or something similar. He also directed two out of the original three TV-movies.

I think he's listed as Supervising Producer.

Interesting. I wonder why it's not listed on Wiki or IMDB.

 

[Christopher]

Is it my imagination, or have all the episodes this year (at least the last three on the trot) revolved around them having lost their memory and having to figure out where they got to where they are?

Only the past two. There was no memory loss in the frost-giant reunion episode.