Black Vulcan

[gamer1]

As a whole, most other planets in Star Trek are very unrealistic and mostly there for props for human centered storylines. Basically no other planets have different languages or cultures as a planet rightfully should have, neither have there ever really been other races involved other then for the purpose of the network to show a diverse cast.

 

[Nyotarules]

As a whole, most other planets in Star Trek are very unrealistic and mostly there for props for human centered storylines. Basically no other planets have different languages or cultures as a planet rightfully should have, neither have there ever really been other races involved other then for the purpose of the network to show a diverse cast.

True, but world building of an alien planet takes up too much time and is irrelevant to the stories. So instead all Bajorans speaks Bajoran, no one has their own separate culture or language apart from 'Bajoran' and for most Bajorans, 'The Prophets' is the default religion for all. Either that or the show is showing humans are the real aliens, with their diverse religions and languages compared to the rest of the galaxy.
It is a shame an in universe reason did not come up for this, some small comment from say, Kira, Dax, Quark, Nog, Worf, Spock. 'All you humans are too tribal, globally you do not speak the same language or worship the same gods. How weird is that?"

 

[LJones41]

Why is there still an argument about the existence of Vulcans without pale skin? Why does it matter?

 

[Nyotarules]

Why is there still an argument about the existence of Vulcans without pale skin? Why does it matter?

Why should Star Trek show diverse aliens, make them all pale, its easier on the make up budget and the pale tv audience can identify with them....

 

[Sci]

Why is there still an argument about the existence of Vulcans without pale skin? Why does it matter?

Because some folks get butthurt if a TV show dares imply that white people are not the default setting for sentient evolution.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Why should Star Trek show diverse aliens, make them all pale, its easier on the make up budget and the pale tv audience can identify with them....

That would qualify as...



...beyond the pale.

YEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHH!!

 

[Nyotarules]

Because some folks get butthurt if a TV show dares imply that white people are not the default setting for sentient evolution.

What! You mean humanity did not descend from a blonde, blue eyed Nordic woman! Say it ain't so!

 

[jmidnight_99]

I sure I know more about genetics than you do, but right now I start to believe you are a troll, because I refuse to believe that people are as incapable to process a logical argument or you are 15 which probably means the same as being a troll, most the time.
I never talked about African Vulcans (who would be Vulcans born and raised in Africa), but dark-skinned Vulcans, who we see in the Star Trek universe multiple times

There are no African Vulcans.
There are no brown or black skinned or black Vulcans because copper-based blood components would oxidize dark green, not dark red.
You are not making a logical argument. You're making an infantile argument and trying to make it sound intelligent by using words like "genetics" and "logical", but it's clear to me you don't even really know what those words mean.
Because there would be nothing in Vulcan blood to oxidize along the red-brown color spectrum, there are no black Vulcans. If there were Vulcans, there might be dark green ones.
You are trying to make a case which makes no sense.
You may say anything you wish to me, but these are still the facts.

 

[cultcross]

Black people aren't black because their blood is darker
Melanin is produced by oxidising an amino acid named tyrosine, which has nothing to do with the blood.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Okay, cool, so why are orange people orange, then?

 

[Nyotarules]

There are no African Vulcans.
There are no brown or black skinned or black Vulcans because copper-based blood components would oxidize dark green, not dark red.
You are not making a logical argument. You're making an infantile argument and trying to make it sound intelligent by using words like "genetics" and "logical", but it's clear to me you don't even really know what those words mean.
Because there would be nothing in Vulcan blood to oxidize along the red-brown color spectrum, there are no black Vulcans. If there were Vulcans, there might be dark green ones.
You are trying to make a case which makes no sense.
You may say anything you wish to me, but these are still the facts.

You do know brown, black, cream, beige and pink humans have the same colour blood right? It is melanin that gives them their skin tones.

 

[jmidnight_99]

You do know brown, black, cream, beige and pink humans have the same colour blood right? It is melanin that gives them their skin tones.

Yes, you might be interested to know melanin is produced by the oxidation of tyrosine and the whole chemical process couldn't exist in these fictitious aliens with copper based blood. Darker skinned Vulcans would most likely be darker green, not brown.

 

[jmidnight_99]

Yes, you might be interested to know melanin is produced by the oxidation of tyrosine and the whole chemical process couldn't exist in these fictitious aliens with copper based blood. Darker skinned Vulcans would most likely be darker green, not brown.

And they wouldn't look like Tim Russ.

 

[jmidnight_99]

You do know brown, black, cream, beige and pink humans have the same colour blood right? It is melanin that gives them their skin tones.

One more thing, these colors are along the same color spectrum arent they? White to red to brown?

 

[Sci]

Yes, you might be interested to know melanin is produced by the oxidation of tyrosine and the whole chemical process couldn't exist in these fictitious aliens with copper based blood. Darker skinned Vulcans would most likely be darker green, not brown.

Let me get this straight:

You think that darker-skinned Vulcans would more realistically be darker green, but you do not think lighter-skinned Vulcans would be lighter green?

 

[cultcross]

Yes, you might be interested to know melanin is produced by the oxidation of tyrosine and the whole chemical process couldn't exist in these fictitious aliens with copper based blood. Darker skinned Vulcans would most likely be darker green, not brown.

Tyrosine and it's oxidation had nothing to do with haemoglobin, the bit that's iron based. Replacing that with copper doesn't affect tyrosines reactivity. Now if we're going to be pedantic, 'copper based blood' has its own scientific plausibility issues to answer, but affecting melanin pigment colour isn't one of them. Once again, black people aren't black because they have dark blood. Their blood is the same as your vintage Aryan claret. It no more results in a change of skin colour than using red diesel will make your car red.

 

[jmidnight_99]

Tyrosine and it's oxidation had nothing to do with haemoglobin, the bit that's iron based. Replacing that with copper doesn't affect tyrosines reactivity. Now if we're going to be pedantic, 'copper based blood' has its own scientific plausibility issues to answer, but affecting melanin pigment colour isn't one of them. Once again, black people aren't black because they have dark blood. Their blood is the same as your vintage Aryan claret. It no more results in a change of skin colour than using red diesel will make your car red.

Why don't you dig one level deeper and discover how they are synthesized in the body.

 

[jmidnight_99]

Let me get this straight:

You think that darker-skinned Vulcans would more realistically be darker green, but you do not think lighter-skinned Vulcans would be lighter green?

Spock was supposed to be green tinged. Bones said this more than once.

 

[Idran]

Why don't you dig one level deeper and discover how they are synthesized in the body.

The conversion of food-derived phenylalanine via phenylalanine hydroxylase?

I mean, if you're talking about the iron atom used and then discarded in the catalyzation process, that's not iron from the blood, that's iron taken from food as well. The process doesn't rely on hemoglobin at all. Which it'd have to; the iron in hemoglobin is busy being part of hemoglobin, while the phenylalanine hydroxylase catalyzation process requires a single unbound iron atom.

Edit: I'm also going to pre-empt the claim that without an iron blood-based ecology you wouldn't have any iron in your diet: most of the iron in our own food is non-heme iron. 60% of the iron in animal flesh and all the iron in plants is non-heme, and all iron in plants was drawn directly from the surrounding geology, from mineral sources. And if we have dietary copper (which we do), there's no reason Vulcan couldn't have dietary iron.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Copper toxicity can cause a brown rash.

Anemia makes people look pasty.