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Frustrations with Trek lit...

It's not like the TOS crew didn't change. We just didn't saw the change happening. The only "odd" thing was them still being together for so long. Frankly I'm okay with TOS being unrealistic and TOS characters never dying, but I prefer everything else with a bit more realism.

We didn't see the change in Ds9 either. Station go boom, move to Bajor, let's build a new station...very next story 'x years later look at shiny station' here's some exposition. It's a big part of the problem, to be honest. I have defended the decision for Kira to follow a religious path elsewhere, so I see how it makes sense, by the jump is badly handled, the exposition and flashbacks...we have spent more time in the past in various ways than actually moving forward of late. And when we do, it's often in yet another leap. For some characters, we find out what they have been doing, before they do it, by reading books in the other lines. It's a bit of a mess. It's also a bit like the myriad x books at marvel in the nineties sometimes...in my head I even read the asterisks 'to find out what Nog actually does next, read TNG issue 6! -Ed'
 
I agree that the jump wasn't the greatest idea, and from the top of my head I can only think of one book that covered a somewhat long period of time, brought change to characters and was really good, VGR: Full Circle. IMO the less time jumps, the better.
 
How was Data "pocketed off for David Mack's personal use" he didn't write a single novel with him after the Cold Equation trilogy, which brought him back. All further Data novels (errr one at this point) were written by Jeffrey Lang.


Um, wrong franchise :p

Ezra was iPad spellchecking a Trill.

And precisely...how long ago was cold equations? And that one novel? Probably a thankyou for having his novel used as a set up for cold equations.
The entire political set up of the quadrant has been in tatters lately...where was Data? His best friends are in mortal peril, one of them presumed dead probably, all events transmitted far and wide....is he in a casino somewhere? His arc, like Bashirs, Just stops. He did better when he was dead. And again we are back at 'realism' to an extent...why would he come back? Well...because he's Data, he's part of the set up. Spock came back from the dead and was back in uniform and on the bridge within two films and about as many years. It's kind of how things go in Trek.
 
I agree that the jump wasn't the greatest idea, and from the top of my head I can only think of one book that covered a somewhat long period of time, brought change to characters and was really good, VGR: Full Circle. IMO the less time jumps, the better.

The VOY books are doing things very well, and are only just catching up timeframe wise with the rest, and are better for it. The TNG books are doing their own thing and trip over when they hit crossovers with the new Ds9. (Crusher as Locum.)
 
I never said I would give up on DS9 novels written by other authors, just those as written by Dave the third. I rather enjoyed both The Missing and also Force and Motion. as I get older, I am getting my picky with what I read though and the Dave the Third novels join any written by either Michael A. Martin and Andy Mangels, or any recent ones by Chris because life is too short to read stories by authors I don't enjoy.
Sorry, this wasn't directed at you, it was towards other posters who made it sound like the decided they didn't all Trek Lit just because of the DS9 books.
Some of the recent standalone Ds9 books have been a massive improvement. They have also been the ones that most strongly try to replicate the TV dynamic (having to jump hoops to get that dynamic back in at least one case. They literally have to work to avoid the current set up.) and basically ignore the ongoing non-story. The Voyager books are the strongest line, and Titan is basically just an addendum to the TNG books and general holding space for certain characters, rather than having its own identity.
I haven't read a Titan book since the stuff between Destiny, but at least to that point I was loving the series. It gave us some great strange new worlds stories, and did a great job with the TV characters and it's own characters.
The TNG books are hovering around a certain level, but, Prey excepted (which is also knee deep in Screen continuity callbacks) rarely go anywhere or do anything great. Again there's a bunch of 'sorry who are you?' Characters, and other characters pocketed off for David Mack's personal use. (Data from TNG and Bashir over on DS9)
I'll admit the new characters could use some more development, but we've still gotten some great books in the series, with the Cold Equations books and The Crimson Shadow being absolutely outstanding.
It's a bit like the Star Wars EU got at the end...bares very little resemblance to the license you are using to pull in the fan monies. 'Realism' be damned, alleged 'stagnation' if sticking too close to the original format be damned, TOS to STVI covers what...forty years? With the books too? They didn't worry about those things, and apparently it's still the bedrock of the books without changing to format much, without padding the roster, and no one gives a flying Tellarite about it being unrealistic that the crew are still together or have come back from the dead.
Completely disagree with pretty much every word of this post. I love the fact that the books have actually allowed the characters to change and evolve. I like the characters and I find it a lot more interesting to see them doing new, different things than the same damn things we saw them doing for 7 years on the shows. Don't get me wrong, I love the shows, but we got 7 years of those kinds of stories, so I enjoy the chance to get something different.
Have a little faith in the 24th century characters and whether the fans will stick with them...if we are still just about bothering even though Ro could be anyone at this point and even she doesn't know if she's with Quark or RandomNoNameGuyFromThePast then throw us a bone and assume we might actually buy the books enthusiastically if Sisko does something other than check his email and Odo and Kira actually y'know, talk to each other at some point. We'd probably buy a hardback if the whole damn crew was on the cover and interacted with each other and were recognisable as their TV characters.
Just because the characters have changed and developed doesn't mean they aren't still recognizable as themselves.
I would buy a three hardback crossover series if they put Data back in uniform and on the bridge of the enterprise
I'll admit, I was a little frustrated they didn't bring Data back onto the Enterprise, but I loved what we got with him in Cold Equations, and I find the idea of a more human Data with a daughter and a life beyond Starfleet a lot more interesting than just dumping back in the same place he'd been since Encounter at Farpoint.
got Bashir back from whichever bad spy spy novel he's in this decade, I'll go to a five book series if they get shot of the section 31 and serena nonsense
I wasn't real thrilled with Sarina just popping back into his life, but I really enjoyed Zero Sum Game, and I'm not done with it yet, but I'm about 200 pages into Ceremony of Losses and it's been great so far. I really like the idea of putting Bashir into a darker, more realisitc spy story. I know we got some of that in the show, but not quite to this level.
and put them in a story being themselves.
Just because the characters aren't doing the same thing they did on the shows doesn't mean they aren't being themselves.
sort out the Ezra stuff
What's wrong with Ezri?
and get the bloody station back. Hell if the station comes back I will buy a frickin hardback a month.
The station is gone, I'd rather just move on and work on developing the new station and it's crew than just go back to the old status quo.
Buy a box set and get a clue editor people.[/QUOTE]
Not necessary, the authors and editors have more than proven that they know what they're doing.
The writers are bored with the license so they stretch it to breaking to make it into something else. Bad religious allegory or bad historicalallegory then turns up (that's the SW Eu at the end...though now I mention it...)
Bull fucking shit, the writers and editors are doing great things with the license that have proven time and again that the understand the franchise. Star Trek has been doing religious and historical alegories since the franchise started, so those are exactly the kinds of stories the books are supposed to be telling.
 
Yeah the idea that the writers are bored and stretching the concept is ridiculous. They are still operating within a familiar Trek universe with the TV characters and new characters who fit that universe.

Not everything has been perfect, political stories overwhelmed exploration for a while though most were still pretty strong, as mentioned TNG and DS9 have some character development and integration to do and the time jump really didn't help DS9 in that regard.

But no book series will ever be perfect and there's more right to this one than there is wrong and the stuff for next year all sounds on the right track.
 
^ You don't find that perspective antithetical to all of Star Trek's themes? If not, why not? Genuinely curious.

Actually, that's pretty much consistent with most of Trek. TOS, TNG and Voyager episodes stood alone for the most part, and the reset button was employed heavily in Voyager in particular. You could always rest assured that everything would be wrapped up neatly by the end of the episode, both ship and major crew would come out of the danger of the week unscathed and that there would be few if any changes to the dynamic.

I can see how you feel that way and that's fine. I'm just no longer the adventurous youth I was twenty years ago. These days I prefer the comfort and stability of the familiar.

Yep, I get that entirely. I read to and from work, and work tends to involve seeing and hearing some pretty horrific stuff. The older Trek books make for an excellent read in those circumstances; comfortable, familiar and often heartening. I find the newer ones far less suited, of course with some exceptions.
 
One of the things that I am finding most frustrating is the attitude and argument of: "If you want to read novels set within the time frame of the 24th Century series, read the older novels that are."

I have been reading Trek books since the 80's. I have literally read every one of these books already. So what I am basically being told is that if I want to read something new set in that era, tough sh*t.

At this point I am praying that Strange New Worlds takes off again, because that is my only hope.
 
One of the things that I am finding most frustrating is the attitude and argument of: "If you want to read novels set within the time frame of the 24th Century series, read the older novels that are."

I have been reading Trek books since the 80's. I have literally read every one of these books already. So what I am basically being told is that if I want to read something new set in that era, tough sh*t.

At this point I am praying that Strange New Worlds takes off again, because that is my only hope.
Well not entire;y. Maybe the 24th century novels should just run their course. Kill off Picard Sisko and all the other TV characters a book at a time. Then when the "novel only" characters are all that's left, Pocket will hopefully see the error of calling a book "Star Trek The Next Generation" when none of the TNG crew is actually present, they'll hit the reset button (remember the glory days when Star Trek had THAT?), and things will go back to the way they should be.
 
Well not entire;y. Maybe the 24th century novels should just run their course. Kill off Picard Sisko and all the other TV characters a book at a time. Then when the "novel only" characters are all that's left, Pocket will hopefully see the error of calling a book "Star Trek The Next Generation" when none of the TNG crew is actually present, they'll hit the reset button (remember the glory days when Star Trek had THAT?), and things will go back to the way they should be.
Um, did they kill offf any other character than Janeway? Also, they brought her back and if you add Data and Tucker the "main TV character killed off in novel without coming back" counter is -2, or did I miss anyone?
 
Um, did they kill offf any other character than Janeway? Also, they brought her back and if you add Data and Tucker the "main TV character killed off in novel without coming back" counter is -2, or did I miss anyone?

-3 Lal.
They a,Lao brought back Wesley and Pulaski for cameos, but no one actually killed them I suppose.
 
Well not entire;y. Maybe the 24th century novels should just run their course. Kill off Picard Sisko and all the other TV characters a book at a time. Then when the "novel only" characters are all that's left, Pocket will hopefully see the error of calling a book "Star Trek The Next Generation" when none of the TNG crew is actually present, they'll hit the reset button (remember the glory days when Star Trek had THAT?), and things will go back to the way they should be.

Maybe be I'm missing something, but nearly half of the E-E main characters are TNG alums (Picard, Crusher, Worf and LaForge) and only one or two of the other six (Chen and maybe Dygan) have had any kind of focus.
 
Apart from Janeway, which admittedly was a massive mistake, the novels have brought more people back than killed them. It's hardly the novels fault that, for example, Riker and Troi aren't on the Enterprise anymore or that Data died.

As already mentioned I don't have any objections to TV timelines set books but inevitably they'll have to be plot focused as there's a limit to what you can do with the characters. It makes complete sense to me that most authors would prefer to work in a living universe rather than one that never changes.

Variety isn't a bad thing bit if all books were set in the TV timeline I doubt I'd still be reading.
 
Well not entire;y. Maybe the 24th century novels should just run their course. Kill off Picard Sisko and all the other TV characters a book at a time. Then when the "novel only" characters are all that's left, Pocket will hopefully see the error of calling a book "Star Trek The Next Generation" when none of the TNG crew is actually present, they'll hit the reset button (remember the glory days when Star Trek had THAT?), and things will go back to the way they should be.
If it came to that, I'd rather the series just continue, possibly under title than just go back to the TV era.
 
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