And who is going to enforce that a planet/species must sign up to it. You think the Borg recognise interstellar laws lol
The Federation has no law against genocide?
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No government can be forced to sign, because it doesn't matter IF they sign. The law applies to all, like it or not.
No it does not, the Federation has no jurisdiction over the Klingon, Romulan , Tholian or any other empire. Legislation only apply to the planet, nation state, region that sign up to it.
In real life there is a international court of human rights, I believe the USA is not a member you think this court can force the USA to do something it does not want to do? Yeah right.
You'll notice that in ST VI, it was the Klingons who invoked interstellar law when they arrested Kirk and McCoy...
Maybe they signed up to said interstellar law, does not mean every power in the quadrant was a signatory of said law.
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That's a big goddamn universe - does it apply to folk in the Andromeda galaxy, who've never even heard of the Federation?
Or is it, as is more sensible, simply a term for a cross-stellar agreement between several parties, in much the same way as NATO doesn't include all North Atlantic countries?
Chang: "Under article number one hundred and eighty-four of your Interstellar Law ..."
In other words Federation Law. There's no telling just from Chang's words that the so called "interstellar law" apply anywhere outside of the Federation. Chang didn't say "our interstellar law," or "the interstellar law."
Your interstellar law.
If it doesn't apply anywhere other than the Federation, then logically speaking, how can it be considered interstellar law?
Because the Federation crosses different star systems, just as the real life definition of 'global organisation' does not mean said organisation operates on every single nation on Earth. In the Star trek universe if Starbucks, McDonald's or KFC operated on Earth, Andoria and Vulcan then it can call itself a galactic company does not mean it has branches on every single planet in the universe.
Only if all parties involved are subject or in agreement with those "interstellar laws." To put it in 21s century terms would be "global" or "international" laws and treaties. Those are only applicable to the nations that have signed treaties to abide by these laws.
But it can't be. Who made these interstellar laws? Did the Federation make these interstellar laws? Do they apply to the Kazon? Did anyone tell the Kazon they were violating "interstellar laws" that the Federation made up? Would the Kazon even care?
What genocide laws are on the books today? Are there genocide laws? Can someone share a genocide law that is currently on the books? Do those laws apply to the individual or the state? Is it possible for an individual to commit genocide? I guess you could prosecute someone for 7 billion counts of murder.
The Federation is a interstellar alliance, any law that applies within the Federation would by definition be a interstellar law.
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I disagree, Itwouldn't. The EU is an international alliance, but law which applies to the EU only is called European Law not International Law. Laws which only apply to the Federation and have no other signatories would be Federation Law. If the UFP, KE and RSE agreed to ban say certain weapons then that would be Interstellar Law (but would only apply to the signatories)
But in Kevin's case, wishing IS action. Even if it was accidental.
Even if Kevin didn't intend to wipe out the Husnock (and it seems clear that he did not), that is still an action, even one prompted by extreme emotional disturbance.
It's still ambiguous. The Feds might just be the driving force behind the interstellar law everybody's politicians signed up to. But the military types think it's all a bit of a joke and Chang himself is clearly in the mood to score points.
There was no "legal" law recognized internationally by the First World that was broken by the Nazi's who committed genocide. What gave the US, UK and Allied European powers the right to try the Nazi's as war criminals in the Nuremberg Trials at the conclusion of World War II?
There was no international agreements or such for which to try them - but the Allies had a greater power than international law - they declared the moral right to declare ex post facto that something so horrendous had to be tried as a crime against humanity itself.
I think GR dropped the ball on this one.
There was no international agreements or such for which to try them - but the Allies had a greater power than international law - they declared the moral right to declare ex post facto that something so horrendous had to be tried as a crime against humanity itself.
I think GR dropped the ball on this one.
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