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After the immense disappointment of the Supergirl episode having nothing to do with the crossover, this episode was an instant classic. So amazing to see all these characters interacting with each other!!! Esp. with Supergirl. I'd forgotten how the Legends characters all started out on Flash and Arrow and it was so cool to be reunited with their old casts.
Everybody recognized the salt mine from X-Files 3X01 The Blessing Way, right???
Yay, the Hall of Justice is actually in the show! And it looks like they did base it as much on Cincinnati's Union Terminal as on the Super Friends building inspired by same, since the boxy smaller portions out to the sides are like those of the Terminal. Anyway, I think we're seeing the seeds planted for the Earth-1 Justice League, with this as their future headquarters. Which is a much cooler "Dawn of Justice" than the last one we got.
This was a very fast-paced team-up. They never adequately explained how they got the message to the Legends. But the point was just to get them all together so the characters could interact. I love what a full-bore team-up this was, all hands on deck, or nearly so (we were missing the Team Arrow recruits, who will be in part 2, and Nate and Amaya, who will be in part 3), and interacting freely across casts. And for all that it's a sidebar from the ongoing plot arcs, it is advancing character arcs in a major way.
So Olivia Marsdin is not the POTUS on Earth-1. Instead it's a male actor whom I recognize but whose name I can't remember. I'm confused -- did the President just get vaporized by aliens and nobody cared, or was that just some kind of hologram they used to lure in the team?
And Supergirl confirms that the Dominators are known in her universe. It was reported today that
the Dominators will be appearing on Supergirl later in the season.
Plus we get another Flash-Supergirl "race" -- and I love it that Barry ended it by phasing. He doesn't use that trick a lot.
As a writer, I couldn't help noticing how carefully the story was structured to have the characters from each respective show -- including this one -- restate the key elements of their backstories or character arcs, so that people who aren't regular viewers of a given show but are just dropping in for the crossover are brought up to speed on what they need to know. So we open with a scene about Wally that restates the issues with him, and we get Barry re-expositing about Flashpoint to everyone, and we get Oliver restating his backstory about the loss of his parents to set up tomorrow's episode, and so on. And we got a restatement of Heat Wave's backstory and personality, though not so much for the other Legends. Not much character-arc stuff mentioned for Supergirl, but her powers were explained for the benefit of the heroes and thus for novice viewers. A format where characters are meeting and interacting for the first time, or forced to reveal secrets they haven't shared with each other before, is a handy opportunity to work in that kind of exposition organically.
Hey, hold on... The future newspaper still says the Flash disappears in the 2024 Crisis, even after the Flashpoint changes -- but doesn't the fact that he records a message to Rip Hunter in 2056 mean that he survives?
Hey, hold on... The future newspaper still says the Flash disappears in the 2024 Crisis, even after the Flashpoint changes -- but doesn't the fact that he records a message to Rip Hunter in 2056 mean that he survives?
That article is just a snapshot of something that happened in 2024 from one reporter's perspective. Obviously whatever happens then isn't the end of Barry's story.
So Olivia Marsdin is not the POTUS on Earth-1. Instead it's a male actor whom I recognize but whose name I can't remember. I'm confused -- did the President just get vaporized by aliens and nobody cared, or was that just some kind of hologram they used to lure in the team?
Yeah, the themes were there. We heard the Arrow theme over the establishing shot of Star City and the Supergirl theme over the establishing shot of National City, and I'm sure they used the LoT theme when the Legends showed up, though I wasn't paying attention to the music at that moment. Blake Neely's pretty good at using leitmotifs at appropriate points. I still love the bit of music in "Worlds Finest" where Flash and Supergirl are going to investigate the warehouse and first we hear the Flash theme, and then the Supergirl theme comes in to counterpoint it. There was something similar done with the Supergirl and Superman themes in the opening of the second episode of their team-up, when they were fighting a fire together.
Now that was a crossover. I really liked it for its entertainment and fun. It did feel a little rushed but you can only do so much in an hour with these many characters. Also I'm glad that the storylines on Flash did move forward some even though I'm ready for everyone to get out of this funk somehow. Maybe Stein will fix the timeline considering his hallucinations.
I will also say that's a lot of characters to remember and I liked Falicity's much maligned "best team up ever" line. Maybe the fact that I don't watch Arrow gives me a limited perspective on her but I have enjoyed every time she was on Flash.
Fixing the timeline requires murdering his daughter.
Stien might be able to kill his daughter that he doesn't know, but his wife might have some words to say about that... Although, those "hallucinations" are just memories from the new timeline superimposing over the top of his old memories, sorta like what was happening to Barry when Flashpoint started crushing his old life in reverse.
Jefferson must know that he is not allowed to go there right?
Of course, if Jefferson seduces Stien's daughter, then Stien is going to seduce Jefferson's mother... I think that's called an Italian Standoff.
It was entertaining for the most part but I just don't think berlanti and the writers really have it in them to make all these dc series consistently good. All they really can provide occasionally is a thrill from seeing various dc characters brought onscreen or like tonight a fleeting rush from a proto-Justice League team up. Other than that it's still pretty subpar work which is unfortunate since DC deserves better
Wow. I enjoyed that so much that as soon as it was over, I went back to the beginning and started to watch it again.
I was grinning like an idiot when I saw the Hall of Justice, and again during the superhero free-for-all at the end. If only the DC movies could be this fun.
I agree the bit with the president was kind of confusing, especially since Supergirl didn't even seem to try to save him (a shot that wasn't even necessary to begin with, since they were all going to be mind controlled seconds later anyway).
I also have to say that while Oliver was a bit more eloquent and reasonable sounding in his attempt to convince Barry that all this stuff isn't his fault, that logic is still ridiculous. And on the other side of that issue, Sarah (or any of the legends, actually) trying to read Barry the riot act for changing history is just unbelievably hypocritical.
Other than that, this one was highly entertaining and a great team-up. Fun enough that I have, despite myself, been convinced to brave the lion's den of watching Arrow again. Hopefully it's at least a better quality than last year's crossover episode.
I don't watch The Flash, Arrow or Legends of Tomorrow (which I gave up on after a couple episodes), but am watching the crossover event because of Supergirl. I enjoy Supergirl for what it is even though the writing is really messy and they swing and whiff a lot, but is this how the writing usually is for The Flash too? Would Cisco really threaten the stability of the anti-alien invasion squad because he hates Barry? Maybe if I watched the show more he wouldn't come across as the biggest douche of the bunch with CW Angst™, but that's what I took away from the episode. Characters like Cisco and Diggle came across as very simplistic and basic.
I would definitely not want any DC movie to be written like these CW shows.
Whiny Cisco is already annoying me. Can we just go back in time to save his brother so that he can go back to normal? Billionaire Cisco is also acceptable.
Yes, and I could have sworn Cisco wasn't that close to his brother before Flashpoint. Somehow resetting Barry's childhood affected Cisco's childhood too.
