Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[DigificWriter]

^ Not mentioning it at the time doesn't mean he forgot about it. He and the rest of Team Flash were kind of in the middle of a crisis at the time, one that was pressing enough that pausing to tell his friends about the fact that he ended up in a parallel universe would've been a distraction and a waste of time that they couldn't spare.

 

[Nerroth]

Here in Canada, Supergirl has been on rival channels to those airing Arrow, The Flash, or DC's Legends of Tomorrow. (This season, Supergirl is on Showcase, after having been on Global for season 1; The Flash is on CTV; while the other two are on CTV2, having been "demoted" from CTV proper.)

This is not the only case where shows on the same (or affiliated) networks in the US get split up in this country; to give another example, the various Law and Order series are on a rival network to the one which hosts the various Chicago [insert word here] shows. Which can be a problem when it comes to crossover events that split across rival channels up here, since the various rival networks feel no obligation to mention, let alone advertise, said crossovers.

In this case, CTV have been advertising this week's crossover as a 3-part event only, rather than the 4-part event advertised by The CW. I admit to have been somewhat annoyed by this... but, in retrospect, I suppose it may be closer to the truth after all.

 

[Christopher]

^ Not mentioning it at the time doesn't mean he forgot about it. He and the rest of Team Flash were kind of in the middle of a crisis at the time, one that was pressing enough that pausing to tell his friends about the fact that he ended up in a parallel universe would've been a distraction and a waste of time that they couldn't spare.

But that's exactly the problem. The crisis they faced at that point was one that specifically required figuring out a way to cross into another universe, so they could get to Earth-2 and stop Zoom. So you'd think it would've been relevant for Barry to mention that the tachyon device he'd been using to increase his speed had just accidentally sent him into another universe.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

of course they had to have Supergirl with one of her kind - no, not white, alien.

When has that mattered in the Superman mythos or science fiction? one of the most famous comic book relationships is Superman & human Lois Lane or Scarlet Witch & the android Vision. There is no demand of character or custom to have Supergirl with Mon-El other than the showrunners bending to the sick minds who screamed for her relationship with James to end for an entire season.

As noted yesterday, this series is all about being progressive...except in one way.

And I never thought Jimmy/Kara worked anyway. It looks like it was father/daughter.

As presented, Kara and James understood each other better than any other characters, which is the reason they spent so much time together sharing their lives. Season two might as well be a series reboot for the way that major plotline was dumped.

Pot, kettle, black, friend.

I'm not upset, just making a statement about this episode, one you obviously don't agree with and that's OK.

There's nothing wrong with your statements, Mr. Adventure. Some like to throw the "upset" line around as a way of protecting the series from any form of criticism. Its no different than the overused "hater" line.

 

[DigificWriter]

But that's exactly the problem. The crisis they faced at that point was one that specifically required figuring out a way to cross into another universe, so they could get to Earth-2 and stop Zoom. So you'd think it would've been relevant for Barry to mention that the tachyon device he'd been using to increase his speed had just accidentally sent him into another universe.

Barry vanished for a second and then reappeared, so it's pretty obvious that he went somewhere else. Divulging details about the universe he ended up in is something that wouldn't have been relevant to the crisis they were facing, though, so it makes sense that we didn't see him divulging said details.

 

[JD]

There was no trick. The fact that this was just a prelude with the tie-in only being in the final minutes was overtly stated in the advance publicity and interviews. Okay, the promos on TV were a bit misleading, but that's only to be expected of advertising, which is why it's best not to rely on it as an exclusive source of information. And really, it stands to reason. Supergirl is set in a different universe from the one where Earth is being invaded, so how could it be more than a peripheral part of the crossover?

And that kind of setup has precedent in comics, due to their serial nature. I'm reminded of the way Marvel's original Secret Wars miniseries was set up by the various comics whose casts it brought together -- the preceding issues just had the characters get swept away in the last page or two, followed by a "To Be Continued in" notice like we got here. So it did feel very comic-booky.

Actually, they managed to tie it in more than I expected, with Vibe's portals showing up twice in the course of the episode and even helping to save Supergirl from Henshaw. That was a clever touch.

The crossover elements were pretty much exactly what I expected.
I did like the portal opening during the fight distracting Henshaw, that was a nice way to work the crossover set up into the main plot.

What wasn't so clever was having James, Winn, and Alex have a whispered conversation about the Guardian while Kara was just a few feet away. Umm, super-hearing, anyone? I know it's a pretty common convention in screen adaptations to assume that Kryptonians' enhanced senses are only engaged when they choose to turn them on, but I tend to assume it's more a matter of what they choose to focus their attention on at a given moment. It's hard to believe Kara didn't overhear them.

These kind of things happen so often in these shows and movies that I really don't let it bother me any more.
Also, they explained why the Medusa virus didn't hurt Kryptonians, but they neglected to explain why it didn't hurt humans.

I hadn't expected them to wrap up Cadmus (or at least Lillian's part in it) so quickly -- or to cure J'onn so quickly. That was a bit anticlimactic. Still, I saw what Lena was doing a mile away, though I guess they did a pretty good job of making it credible that she might actually be helping her mother rather than sabotaging her.

I was pretty happy with the Cadmus stuff, but I was surprised they just resolved the whole story with J'Onn turning into a White Martian. I was expecting that to be a much bigger part of the season.

^^^
Yep - this was the largest unanswered 'idiot ball' aspect of the episode. Kara's father said Medusa was designed to kill ANY non-Kryptonian physiology; so, yeah, why wouldn't Earthings (aka Humans) be outright killed by the virus as well. <--- Never even brought up by anyone in any way. (I mean hell, they could have said Mama Luthor managed to modify it to not affect Humans or something.)

Yeah, after they made such a big deal about it not effecting Kryptonians, it did seem weird we didn't get some kind of line about Dr. Luthor changing it to not effect humans.

Also, you'd think with a Kryptonian weapon that could kill EVERY alien on the planet, Kara MIGHT call in her cousin for help?

This was still a fairly small scale issue, so I wasn't to bothered by her not calling in Clark.

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But that is exactly what they did. Barry used a portal to go to Supergirl's universe and bring her back to his universe to be part of the crossover. Plus, the Dominator invasion is not taking place in Supergirl's universe so I am not sure how they could have devoted the entire episode to it. While the episode was not devoted to the crossover, the character of Supergirl is definitely part of the crossover.

But I do get the impression that the shows are meant to build on each other and the Legends episode, being the last on the schedule, will be the climax of the crossover. So Supergirl was the teaser where we only see Barry ask her for help. My guess is that the Flash episode will reveal the Dominators. The Arrow episode will be where Flash and Arrow struggle and the Legends episode will be the big finale where all 4 teams work together and save the day.

Well, the description for Flash talks about him bringing the groups together and planning an attack, so I think things will move faster than that.

Exactly. Why read interviews from a cast when one doesn't watch the show? The commercials all really pointed to one thing, and people can't be blamed for believing them. The shows are all on the same network now, there's no reason not to have second guessed anything.

I think the problem here is perspective. Fans of the show are fine with it because it continues the stories with the characters they enjoy, and naturally so.

But for the people who aren't fans of the show tuning in because they think the crossover will play a legitimate part in the story, well... sitting through the reminder of why I didn't continue with the show for a 30 second tease when I could have been doing anything else was a really big letdown.

I do agree that they could have made it clearer that the crossover was a smaller part of the episode.
Overall, I was really happy with this episode.
I was a little annoyed at first when the brushed aside the guys telling Kara James was Guardian, but that ended up not really having anything to do with the rest of the episode so I wasn't to bothered by it in the end. I just hope they don't spend to many more episodes debating whether or not to tell her.
This was a really interesting episode for Lena Luthor. I was happy that she didn't really join forces with her mother, I liked the fact that she wasn't another evil Luthor, so I was a little annoyed when they seemed to be turning her evil.
It was a little annoying to see Kara and Mon-El both pretending like their kiss didn't happen, but I guess it does make some sense given their situation at that point. I'm willing to trust that the writers won't drag the will they, won't they out for too long.
I liked the stuff with Alex, first her attempt to come out to her mother, only to find out she already knew and was OK with it, and then her getting together with Maggie.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

* They killed all the alien patrons in the bar, and there was no vigil scene? Ugh.
* Did anyone else think for a second that Lena was going to show superpowers in the L-Corp scene with Cyborg Superman?
* Does Lena know Kara is Supergirl, or does she simply have a crush on her? King Mon-El's ruining the whole thing for her.
* Barry and Cisco can't open a breach to Earth-S a whole damn day? You opened one to H.R. Wells The Irritating in under a minute, for Savatar's sake.
* If Barry and Cisco had burst in during the L-Corp scene, and were forced to stick around before revealing their trouble, I imagine Cisco saying “You... You have a virus that kills all the aliens? I really shouldn't be liking the sound of this right now.”
* Why Kara can't do some superheroing as Kara? If I were her, and had a whole naive world to go to, I wouldn't be able to resist being in my alter ego just for the thrill of it. It would feel like skinny dipping. (And you don't wanna alert people on Earth-1 there are Kryptonians around.)
* Cat Grant should make a short appearance, where she accidentally praises Kara for her work as Supergirl. We always knew that she knew, now that's she's off the show, you might as well give some conclusion to it to tease Kara one last time.

 

[Christopher]

Barry vanished for a second and then reappeared, so it's pretty obvious that he went somewhere else. Divulging details about the universe he ended up in is something that wouldn't have been relevant to the crisis they were facing, though, so it makes sense that we didn't see him divulging said details.

The details about where he ended up are irrelevant -- all that matters is that he made the journey. They were trying to figure out a way to cross universes to get to Earth-2, and Barry apparently forgot that the tachyon device had let him do exactly the thing that they needed to figure out how to do. He didn't even mention it as a possibility. Instead, neither he nor anyone else seemed to have a clue how they could get to Earth-2 until Cisco figured out he could vibe a portal.

* Barry and Cisco can't open a breach to Earth-S a whole damn day? You opened one to H.R. Wells The Irritating in under a minute, for Savatar's sake.

Time clearly doesn't run at the same rate between the two universes. Remember, Barry's visit to National City took a couple of days from Kara's perspective, but he was gone from Earth-1 for less than a second. So the interval between portals may be much shorter on Earth-1 than it is on Earth-38 (as Supergirl's Earth is now officially known).

 

[Snaploud]

Time clearly doesn't run at the same rate between the two universes. Remember, Barry's visit to National City took a couple of days from Kara's perspective, but he was gone from Earth-1 for less than a second. So the interval between portals may be much shorter on Earth-1 than it is on Earth-38 (as Supergirl's Earth is now officially known).

Interesting. Does that mean Supergirl will return several years into the future of Earth-38? At 2 Earth-38 days per 1 Earth-1 second, we're talking about a major time discrepancy. I believe that's roughly 1 Earth-38 year per 3 Earth-1 hours. The counter-argument is that not enough time appears to have passed in the Earth-38 universe since their last cross-over.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Yeah, less complicated to assume Barry also time traveled a bit that one time. Tachyons always where a bit timey whimey in sci-fi.

 

[Noname Given]

Interesting. Does that mean Supergirl will return several years into the future of Earth-38? At 2 Earth-38 days per 1 Earth-1 second, we're talking about a major time discrepancy. I believe that's roughly 1 Earth-38 year per 3 Earth-1 hours. The counter-argument is that not enough time appears to have passed in the Earth-38 universe since their last cross-over.

Like any genre show (be it superhero, Star Trek, Star Wars, etc.) time will pass relative to the needs of the episode plot.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Tachyons always where a bit timey whimey in sci-fi.

Probably because tachyons are defined as particles that always travel faster than light which according to relativity would cause them to time travel.

 

[Christopher]

Interesting. Does that mean Supergirl will return several years into the future of Earth-38? At 2 Earth-38 days per 1 Earth-1 second, we're talking about a major time discrepancy. I believe that's roughly 1 Earth-38 year per 3 Earth-1 hours. The counter-argument is that not enough time appears to have passed in the Earth-38 universe since their last cross-over.

I'm not suggesting the relative time rate is a constant, just that it's flexible and unpredictable where interdimensional travel is concerned. The two universes probably advance at pretty much the same rate, but a portal between them might be displaced a bit forward or backward in time relative to its starting point. So if you make your second crossover 8 months later, it'll still be 8 months later, but maybe with a margin of error of a few hours or days.

 

[dahj]

At 2 Earth-38 days per 1 Earth-1 second, we're talking about a major time discrepancy.

If the 1 second = 2 days rule were applied Barry should have now showed up way in the future of Earth38, and since roughly the same amount of time seems to have passed in both universes we should probably just chalk up the time discrepancy as a result of the previous crossover not really being planned ahead of time and the connecting scene on The Flash being added ad hoc.

 

[Commander Richard]

It would be interesting if they did a follow-up in January where Supergirl returned home and found herself in the future.

 

[Snaploud]

It would be interesting if they did a follow-up in January where Supergirl returned home and found herself in the future.

"Dang it, Barry. See if I ever do you a favor again..."

 

[dahj]

It would be interesting if they did a follow-up in January where Supergirl returned home and found herself in the future.

The episode is called "Supergirl Lives"...

 

[Commander Richard]

They killed all the alien patrons in the bar, and there was no vigil scene?

The bar is a secret so no one knows about it and the rest of the aliens don't want to reveal its location.

Did anyone else think for a second that Lena was going to show superpowers in the L-Corp scene with Cyborg Superman?

No, it was just your typical scene where someone just stands there during an iminent attack only to be saved by the hero.

Does Lena know Kara is Supergirl, or does she simply have a crush on her?

Just a crush. Or should I say not just a crush.

Barry and Cisco can't open a breach to Earth-S a whole damn day?

Maybe we'll find out why on tonight's episode of The Flash.

If Barry and Cisco had burst in during the L-Corp scene, and were forced to stick around before revealing their trouble, I imagine Cisco saying “You... You have a virus that kills all the aliens? I really shouldn't be liking the sound of this right now.”

I wonder if the virus affects metahumans.

Why Kara can't do some superheroing as Kara?

Maybe she does.

Cat Grant should make a short appearance, where she accidentally praises Kara for her work as Supergirl.

There's plenty of time for stuff like that once she's VP (or P once Lynda Carter is exposed).

 

[Snaploud]

The bar is a secret so no one knows about it and the rest of the aliens don't want to reveal its location.

I hope it doesn't become a running joke on this show that nobody cares about secondary-character or background-character deaths. They might as well all be wearing red shirts.

 

[tomalak301]

The details about where he ended up are irrelevant -- all that matters is that he made the journey. They were trying to figure out a way to cross universes to get to Earth-2, and Barry apparently forgot that the tachyon device had let him do exactly the thing that they needed to figure out how to do. He didn't even mention it as a possibility. Instead, neither he nor anyone else seemed to have a clue how they could get to Earth-2 until Cisco figured out he could vibe a portal.




Time clearly doesn't run at the same rate between the two universes. Remember, Barry's visit to National City took a couple of days from Kara's perspective, but he was gone from Earth-1 for less than a second. So the interval between portals may be much shorter on Earth-1 than it is on Earth-38 (as Supergirl's Earth is now officially known).

I'm really looking forward to tonight's episode of The Flash because I think this is the Flash side of last night's episode. That's pretty exciting and they might answer some of these time questions or why they tried three times to open a breach.