• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Spoilers Timeless: Season 1 on NBC

I suspect that maybe they have all the rules of time machine operation worked out in their series bible or technical notes, but haven't done the best job explaining those rules to the viewers. I mean, it could be that they're making it up as they go, but it feels to me more like they're taking some things for granted that are still unknown to us.
 
That's how you avoid a mountain, but not a tree. Teleporting into a tree would be 'not good'. Maybe the wormhole (or whatever) just bumps you a little to the side to avoid things like that, but I can't imagine they can pin the terrain down that precisely given that the potential landing place is the entire planet, for the entirety of time. (or at least several hundred years that we've seen). No way they've got it down that far; maybe you think it's a clear field but there was a sinkhole that spring that you missed. Something as simple as a fallen tree in the woods would be catastrophic when you appear partially inside it.

Dunno, they haven't gotten into the mechanics of it, but seems problematic. Easiest way would be for the machine to appear mid-air and be able to land itself safely, but nothing in the design or show itself would lend itself to that being the way it works. Having it pop back into place is ok as they know every micrometer of the facility, but pretty random going out in the world.

But they did wreck the landing facility a bit on the return, so there's at least some precedent for the time machine displacing whatever is in the way when it travels. It didn't replace the scaffolding, and it didn't merge with it, it pushed it out of the way/crushed it. Maybe it would just destroy the tree? What about a person walking in the woods? dunno if it would have the horsepower to displace, say, a solid enough object like a hill/dirt mound, mountainside, etc.
I'm not defending the show from your criticisms -- I agree with the vast majority of them -- but Rufus has said on numerous occasions that he does, in fact, steer the ship. Perhaps he sees the destination spot as it exists prior to actually arriving, and then finds a place to land based on that telemetry. I don't know, but they have mentioned that there's some mechanism for actually steering the ship.

Crappy protocol if they can't even seal a plastic bank container enough to avoid being destroyed over time. Plus seems kinda lucky it didn't get paved over, or dug up and thrown out, ruined when that house installs a sprinkler system, etc.

Shouldn't they have been more concerned that the lifeboat wasn't next to the message? I'd have thought they'd have expected both, unless protocol assumes the lifeboat is destroyed, or taken apart over time, or whatever and the message is all they have?
Yeah, don't even get me started on any of that. They tried to pull a Bill & Ted with the future message thing, but completely overlooked the fact that the ship would have completely rewritten history just by being there at all for any length of time. And there's no way the team could have dismantled, destroyed, and/or hidden all evidence of it before anyone would have stumbled upon it. As evident in that episode alone.
 
They didn't need to move the machine. If the protocol worked the machine would be gone because they returned home. If the protocol didn't work then moving the machine is again moot. It's a self fulfilling prophecy.
 
In Red Dwarf, their time machine broke during the height of the Roman empire.

They spent three years walking across Europe, so that they could find a lemon and make a nine volt battery, to get it working again.

The protocol should have been to leave the note at a safe drop spot, redetermined each week depending on where the life boat is being sent.
 
Watching the show and based on what Rufus has been saying, he does steer & land the ship. I'm guessing as they get closer to the destination, there is a bunch of data feed to the machine?geographical data maybe or something. Using that data Rufus can land the ship where he feels it is "safe and hidden". I don't think they have really shown us what is it like when the team time travels? How much time passes when they jump and then land? There must be some 'travel time' right?
 
I'm sure Rufus did include math and complicated sciencey stuff in the rest of the note, and Jiya just wasn't able to recover any of that part of it. The bit about catching the Lifeboat like how the Death Star caught the Millennium Falcon was at the bottom of the note.
 
It'd be nice if the show would film their scenes in the past time periods the way tv shows did in the decades they are set. And if the episode takes place in a period before television was invented at least give it a different feel because no matter how much effort the production team puts into recreating the time period something about it being filmed with current filming techniques still makes it feel like 2016 to me and I can't fully feel like I've been transported back to the time period featured

Also other than to ham fistedly portray Flynn as ruthless in his goals I don't really see the point of killing people like the plumber or the NASA scientist he replaced when they could easily tie them up. By the time they were to be found and set free Flynn will have moved on and no way to find Flynn since law would not be able to look to the future to track him down. It also isn't very careful on his part. He most likely hasn't fully researched his or his wife's ancestry. Who knows how killing off any one person could ruin his goal in a way he hasn't accounted for. This show doesn't have the luxury of a temporal
Observatory say like on Star Trek where you can run models seeing how affecting various parts of history will turn out before actually doing so
 
Last edited:
Yeah, Rufus and Anthony Bruhl are the only people who know how to pilot the machines.
I couldn't agree with you more, captain....
It's like the others are sleeping while doing their job, or they have no eyes, or are not interested in flying that time machine at all

Better yet, how does Goran Visnjic know how to operate this machine, eh?
What is he, somekind of Whiz-Kid ?
 
No.

He kidnapped Matt "Anthony Bruhl" Frewer in the pilot.
True, but I was under the impression that he is more of a theoretical/practical physicist, not a time-machine pilot,
You know, the kind of guy who knows that a nuclear core would render the machine supreme against the smaller "lifeboar" vessel.

I really can't remember if anybody has mentioned in the series that nobody else can pilot that thing from Goran's crew. Has that crossed everybody's minds?
 
The other week Wyatt floated shooting Bruhl to strand Flynn.

On the upside, we're finally starting to gel as a team.
Just saying.
And you believe that Anthony is working with Flynn? I think it's complicated.
There's got to be an explanation as to why.
Anthony's not the type of guy that would do something like that.
They never are on the surface.
Well, makes one part of our job easier.
We don't have to rescue Anthony Bruhl anymore.
We just need to eliminate him.
Leave Flynn without anyone to pilot the Mothership.
That crossed my mind.
And in this gun battle, did you ever get a shot at Anthony? Never a clean shot.
Next time, make sure you do.
 
It'd be nice if the show would film their scenes in the past time periods the way tv shows did in the decades they are set. And if the episode takes place in a period before television was invented at least give it a different feel because no matter how much effort the production team puts into recreating the time period something about it being filmed with current filming techniques still makes it feel like 2016 to me and I can't fully feel like I've been transported back to the time period featured

I don't want to see the show become, say, black-and-white when they go to the '40s or '50s. It would be one thing if they were just flashbacks, but what we're seeing is supposed to be the real-time experiences of characters from our era when they go back in time, so since it's being experienced "live" from their point of view, it makes sense to shoot it in the same way as their experiences in the present. Changing the shooting style would undermine that sense of immediate reality. (There was a second-season episode of War of the Worlds: The Series where the characters went back in time to shortly after the events of the original 1953 film, and the sequences in the past were shot in black and white. Which made no sense to me and didn't work, partly because it undermined the sense that these were the live experiences of the main characters -- and partly because the '53 movie had been filmed in glorious Technicolor!!)

I'm more concerned with the authenticity of the props, costumes, etc., and some of the computer tech here was anachronistic. There was one scene where Rufus was typing code into a supposedly 1969-vintage computer using a keyboard of a type that didn't exist until the 1980s.



I really can't remember if anybody has mentioned in the series that nobody else can pilot that thing from Goran's crew. Has that crossed everybody's minds?

Rufus specifically said in last night's episode that if Anthony Bruhl died, Flynn would have no one to pilot the Mothership. Anthony is Flynn's only pilot, just as Rufus is Mason's only pilot.
 
With Flynn using the time machine to save his half-brother, would this be the starting point where Lucy starts to get annoyed at her deal not happening? Just little things building up to the point where it tips her over to end up 'writing' the diary and etc.? I know the whole good guys do the good things & bad guys get to do what they want thing.
 
Quick takes about several issues to catch up before my thoughts about the Space Race episode.

I think Rufus does fly the machine even though it's not shown. Not just navigating the machine through time but to a safe landing. A safe landing meaning on the ground, not in a tree, and in an unobtrusive location that is unlikely to be observed. And, perhaps you can add the navigation to include adjusting for the movement of the Earth through time. The odd thing is that given the extreme importance of the pilot, you'd think they'd train others!

The rule about not time traveling within your own timeline does not make much sense. Whether or not you personally exist, the particles that are in your body throughout your entire lifetime will be in existence even when you are not. Those particles will be duplicated regardless of what time period you travel to.

That said, as a story telling conceit, I'm alright with it. Moon Shot hinted at the reason for this rule when Flynn saved his older half brother. If instead we had traveled back in time to Flynn's youth, our team would have a serious question about whether they should kill the child. That's pretty dark. And, it might make good drama once, but if they didn't/couldn't/wouldn't kill Flynn as a child once, why wouldn't they try again with a slightly different time period? This keeps the show from devolving into a case where each time tries to kill the child versions of the other team.

I enjoyed the Space Race episode greatly as that's a time period I'm very interested in. Sure, a few anachronisms. And, no, the race to the moon wasn't closer than the public realized. In terms of space operations capabilities, the US was further ahead of the USSR than the public realized. We were had spy satellites for quite some time and were able to do more things in space. Russia had a disaster of a huge rocket they wanted to use. It's true they orbited a team around the moon near the same time but they didn't have any of the capabilities to get them down the surface and then back home that the US had. That would've taken a lot of time for them to develop.

I do hope that we move beyond these one off missions into the past and really start to see what Rittenhouse is up to. Of course, when Lucy asked Anthony this, they were interrupted. That will get really old really fast. And, I'm guessing that Rittenhouse is the stereotypical shadow organization that is mainly out for it's own power and influence. In other words, the build up is going to be followed by a letdown. I think the motivations and goals will be fairly straightforward. Maybe I'll be surprised, but that's how it usually goes with this sort of thing. They need to move that plot forward.

Mr Awe
 
The "not in your own lifetime" rule went out the window with this episode. Anthony Bruhl (Matt Frewer) is definitely alive by 1969.
 
And, no, the race to the moon wasn't closer than the public realized. In terms of space operations capabilities, the US was further ahead of the USSR than the public realized. We were had spy satellites for quite some time and were able to do more things in space. Russia had a disaster of a huge rocket they wanted to use. It's true they orbited a team around the moon near the same time but they didn't have any of the capabilities to get them down the surface and then back home that the US had. That would've taken a lot of time for them to develop.

There were other conceptual problems. What was that nonsense about the astronauts being in danger of running out of air in just a few hours? What does a loss of communication have to do with their air supply, which would have to be sufficient to sustain them for the several days it would take to get back to Earth? And as soon as contact was restored, suddenly the whole air-loss issue was forgotten and they went ahead with the Moon walk. That was just dumb. It's like some network suit ordered them to slap on the "running out of air" lines to create more suspense and a ticking clock even though it made no damn sense whatsoever.

Rufus's line about Katherine Johnson suddenly having a movie about her in the altered timeline was a bit incongruous, given that a real movie about her and her colleagues, Hidden Figures, is coming out next month, with Taraji P. Henson as Johnson.
 
This is the second time that Flynn had made an attempt to boost the Soviets' space program. Why is this so important to him? Why does he and Anthony consider the idea of the U.S. winning the "Space Race" as a threat to the country's future?


Also, I thought the time travelers cannot re-visit the same point in time again.



And as soon as contact was restored, suddenly the whole air-loss issue was forgotten and they went ahead with the Moon walk.

Apparently, the screenwriter forgot to add a line or two having someone from Mission Control giving the astronauts instructions on how to deal with their air supply. It's a blooper. But since I enjoyed the episode, I'm moving on.
 
Last edited:
It'd be nice if the show would film their scenes in the past time periods the way tv shows did in the decades they are set. And if the episode takes place in a period before television was invented at least give it a different feel because no matter how much effort the production team puts into recreating the time period something about it being filmed with current filming techniques still makes it feel like 2016 to me and I can't fully feel like I've been transported back to the time period featured
Very, very few of these kinds of shows do that, so it seems kind of strange to me to expect them to do this here. I honest can't think of any time travel shows that did that.
I enjoyed this one a lot more than last week's, but one thing bugged me, Matt Frewer was born in 1958, so unless his character is 11 years younger than he is, which seems unlikely to me, Anthony shouldn't have been able go back to 1969. I didn't even know how old Frewer was until I looked him up after I saw what year they were going to, because just his appearance got me thinking he was probably born before 1969. I don't remember how long after the episode they said Flynn was born, but Visnjic was born in '72 and I'm pretty sure Flynn was born around then to, and I find it hard to believe that Anthony Bruhl is that close to his age.
Other than that I enjoyed this one. It was interesting to get to see stuff from Flynn and his people's perspective.
The big twist with the secretary, did surprise me, I expected her to sketches to be something that would end up being important to the present somehow.
I can't help but wonder if the stuff with Katherine Johnson was inspired by the fact that the movie about her, Hidden Figures, is about to come out.
 
This is the second time that Flynn had made an attempt to boost the Soviets' space program. Why is this so important to him? Why does he and Anthony consider the idea of the U.S. winning the "Space Race" as a threat to the country's future?

Probably it'll turn out that the space race was all some evil scheme of Rittenhouse's to conquer the world more than they already have, or something.


Also, I thought the time travelers cannot re-visit the same point in time again.

They didn't. So far, in (subjective) order, they've been to 1937, 1865, 1962, 1944, 1836, 1972, 1754, and 1969.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top