Name one neo-Nazi or KKK member in his cabinet. Steve Bannon has no affiliation. This is part of the reason so much of America voted for Trump. No one was buying the Nazi comparisons. It's over the top.
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No but he runs Brietbart which might as well align themselves with that lot. They are just as despicable.
I can honestly say I have never read Brietbart, so I can't make an educated judgement. But, comparing someone to Neo-Nazis or the KKK is saying that they are capable of genocide. I don't believe for a second that Trump has the desire to commit genocide or would appoint someone who did. It's quite a stretch.
Trump appointing Anti-Semite & White Supremacist Steve Bannon as his White House Chief Strategist and Senior Counselor says a lot about Trump carefully choosing unsavory people for his like-minded inner circle.
As Red Shirt notes, Steve Bannon is an anti-Semite.
So, how much evidence has to pile up before you start to believe it?
I have heard conflicting reports about Steve Bannon but nothing he has said in context. Football beats out watching the news for me, so I haven't really watched much since Friday. I do find it surprising that he would pick someone with so much stigma attached. I am sure there was a better choice, but what do you suppose will happen? Something that resembles Nazi Germany? I do not believe that Trump's aim is to punish minorities. He has made questionable comments about refusing citizenship to Muslims and doubting a Mexican judge's intent to rule impartially, but nothing that approaches plans for genocide.
EDIT: Okay, I just watched the Rachel Maddow Show. That is some pretty damning information. Trump should definitely drop Steve Bannon if he wants to mend fences.
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For the past year and a half of this campaign, apparently, if not longer. I've never seen a more impressive example of closing one's eyes, sticking one's fingers in your ears, and shouting "LALALALALA!" over every bit of negative factual information regarding Donald Trump than the sum total of your posts in this thread. They are pure denialism and rejection of reality.
Your posts have been like the literal embodiment of what Trump was talking about when he said "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters." And what does that say about Trump's impression of his followers? Sure, it says they're loyal, but not really in a complimentary way from his perspective. At least, I wouldn't be complimented by someone saying I'm so blinded by ideology that I'd throw all ethics and morality out the window to support my team above all else, which is precisely what you and others are doing when you sit here and pretend that the bigoted dogwhistle rhetoric he used throughout the campaign wasn't specifically intended at courting the alt-Right/neo-Nazi/KKK element that lo and behold heeded the call and now thinks he is their champion. Do you think that is a coincidence? Do you think Trump really didn't know who David Duke was all of a sudden even though he's talked about him publicly in the past? Who needs time to think (it took a few days) about whether or not it's politically expedient to denounce the KKK unless you don't want to alienate the bigot vote that makes up a not insignificant chunk of your followers?
It's impossible to establish a framework for debate with someone who can't even stipulate to the most basic facts in the case. Steve Bannon is renowned for promoting alt-Right bigoted clickbait on Breitbart, and that's according to liberal and conservative pundits and politicians and media outlets alike. Sticking your head in the sand and pretending that it ain't so isn't going to change that. Maybe if some of you guys got outraged at it too and started protesting maybe Trump would change his mind, since he has virtually no actual convictions or plans of his own and flies by the seat of his pants from day to day. He changes policy and staff like other people change socks.
Maybe if a bunch of his supporters actually said "No, Steven Bannon is unacceptable as the second most powerful and trusted member of your staff" he might take notice and change something. Stop mocking the peaceful protesters (not the violent ones) and go join them whenever Trump puts someone in his senior staff who is bigoted or dangerous. Say you're a Trump supporter against Steven Bannon. Write your Congressperson to pressure Trump to get rid of Bannon. Call into a conservative radio show and say that you think this is wrong. Post about it on social media.
Do something other than be passively accepting or in denial about bigotry.
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If that's not enough, please enjoy the Steve Bannon article "Bill Kristol: Republican Spoiler, Renegade Jew". It's, um, yeah.
I made an edit to my post above before you posted your reply.
Yeah, I don't like him.
I applaud you for coming to the light. Well done, sir. Let's hope that the rest of the Trump voters will acquiesce in a similar vein.
Sadly I don't think many supporters will change their mind or even care.
Is it just me or is the western world moving backwards?, maybe not backwards but more inwards?
Is it just me or is the western world moving backwards?, maybe not backwards but more inwards?
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It may seem that way, but setbacks like this are temporary. No matter how much they desire it to be otherwise, those who wish to curtail hard won freedoms will not succeed for long. For every step back, we will move two steps forward.
If that putz wants to see some real Renegade Jews, he should spend forty years riding in the wilderness on anything else but a Hog with a Hasidim Motorcycle Gang (yes, that's a thing), Sons of Abraham style.
Get your mohel runnin'
head out on the highway
lookin' for brit milah
and whatever comes our way... after all, who am I to complain, it's no skin off my schwanz
Well, that's a step in the right direction. Thank you.
Sorry. Going to have to respectfully disagree.
The bird quacks at a similar pitch and it waddles with the correct gait. It's close enough.
Trump ran his campaign on rhetoric and bullshit. The vast vast majority was delivered in hateful manner full to the brim with racism and bigotry.
If someone then votes for that candidate then it stands to reason that they are condoning that racism or at the very least pleading ignorance to it, wilful or otherwise.
Like I said, it's an inconvenient truth. People don't like being called racist yet are perfectly happy to vote for the giant racist poised to become the most powerful man on earth.
The 'current incarnation' of liberals and lefties, at their core, want to see a fairer world, where everyone is treated equally and with fairness.
What are your reasons for finding that disagreeable ?
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I was astonished...not surprised tho...when I read about how republican congressmen just brushed off him, saying they don't know anything and it was not their place to question a president's picks for the cabinet.
It's their fucking job....not to mention how they treated Obama regarding his picks for a variety of positions.
It's their fucking job....not to mention how they treated Obama regarding his picks for a variety of positions.
Yep. Put Elizabeth Warren or maybe even Bernie Saunders there and Trump doesn't even come close. Yet the DNC chose to back a controversial, establishment candidate in a year when the people were clearly looking for the opposite of that. The low turnout numbers are a direct reflection of the people's dissatisfaction with both candidates.
Yes, Trump is a major asshole. He shoots from the hip, has no sense of thought or direction on anything and isn't decisive. I also can't believe a guy who says "Im a businessman" will fix things when his businesses have declared bankruptcy four times.
And yet people across the country were willing to look past that. Liberals want to believe its due to racism but it isnt. Look at the blue states that flipped red this year: Wisconson, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Those are states along with Ohio who have seen their jobs leaving for the past twenty years. Trump was the candidate talking about fixing trade deals and bringing jobs back. He also made sure to remind them who had signed NAFTA and who had a record with those trade deals.
Someone who is struggling to make ends meet or out of work is going to identify with that. They aren't going to give a shit about a campaign whose main theme is "Trump is a mean guy." They also are going to pay less mind to the misogynist and racism charges when its coming from the same party that does that election after election. They cry wolf in every election and just like in the story people ignored it even after the real thing showed up. They have no one to blame but themselves.
By the way, wearing diaper pins, congeregate in "safe" places and shouting to the rooftops isn't going convince sane minded people of anything except that you're nuts.
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I see the old "people voted for Trump because they have economic anxiety" canard has come out.
This is incorrect.
Of course, by the time of the actual election, white women had swung around to the Trump camp, too.
If his success was based on economic concerns, how come white people are the only demographic he won overwhelmingly?
Seems to me there must be other elements involved that have nothing to do with economics.
This is incorrect.
Of course, by the time of the actual election, white women had swung around to the Trump camp, too.
If his success was based on economic concerns, how come white people are the only demographic he won overwhelmingly?
Seems to me there must be other elements involved that have nothing to do with economics.
Well in the case of Brexit if you look at how the different age groups voted (or at least thought to have voted), once you reached the 45+ bracket the majority voted to withdraw from the EU whilst those under 45 largely voted to remain.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36619342
Out of the 30 areas with the highest oldest population 27 voted to leave
Out of the 30 areas with lowest gradutes 28 voted to leave
Out of the 30 areas with most people identifying as English all 30 vvoted to leave
How many of those lost jobs in the "rust belt" will have returned in 4 years time, 10%, 25%, 50%? I suspect it'll be at the lower end of the scale. Why because we as a consumer generally want to pay as little for an item as we can, whilst as a worker we want the highest wage possible. Someone has to pay that wage
, which is the consumer at the end of the day, that tin of beans you buy in the supermarket someone had to grow and harvest the beans, someone had to transport them to the canning factory, someone had to smelt the aluminium for the can, someone had to mine that aluminiuim, someone had run the factory, someone had to transport them from the factory to a distribution centre and so on. Each one of those workers wants the highest wage possible.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-36619342
Out of the 30 areas with the highest oldest population 27 voted to leave
Out of the 30 areas with lowest gradutes 28 voted to leave
Out of the 30 areas with most people identifying as English all 30 vvoted to leave
How many of those lost jobs in the "rust belt" will have returned in 4 years time, 10%, 25%, 50%? I suspect it'll be at the lower end of the scale. Why because we as a consumer generally want to pay as little for an item as we can, whilst as a worker we want the highest wage possible. Someone has to pay that wage
, which is the consumer at the end of the day, that tin of beans you buy in the supermarket someone had to grow and harvest the beans, someone had to transport them to the canning factory, someone had to smelt the aluminium for the can, someone had to mine that aluminiuim, someone had run the factory, someone had to transport them from the factory to a distribution centre and so on. Each one of those workers wants the highest wage possible.
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