I think you missed the point, but to each his own.
Who is going to win this election in November?
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1. So what?
2. The bible isn't the only game in town to justify anything people want to justify.
But, this whole splinter conversation was in regards to defense of religious freedom and how that can conflict with LGBT civil rights. If there is no basis for something in the bible, there is definitely no justification for a Christian to claim something is in conflict with their religion. They are otherwise just making shit up. I wasn't discussing other reasons to justify "anything."
Given that I was talking about laws, an isolated incident doesn't really count.
And don't pretend that Trump supporters are being innocent sweethearts in all of this. Anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention can see the reports of the most vile racist things his supporters are saying and doing.
Let's get this lie out of the way. We aren't upset a Republican won. We're upset that a Republican who has promised to do racist, bigoted and cruel things won is promising to do those things. If Jeb Bush or someone else had won, you wouldn't be seeing this.
You did it to his brother George.
While we're on the subject of honesty, when it come to the subject of racism and bigotry your side has screamed it so often at republican candidates that you've become the boy who cried wolf. Dont blame the country for reaching the point that they stopped taking you seriously on the subjects.
Try telling them that
Do you even remember that election? Things were a little tense.You did it to his brother George.
The Bible contains whatever people want it to contain. That's why it's been used to justify every horrific act in the last two thousand years.
Marie Le Pen of France, the National Front leader of an ultra right wing French party that would suck at the nipple of the National Socialists if they were still around believes Mr Trumps win will be a boost to her party. If I had people like her and the KKK happy to see me in office I would be concerned. The fact Mr Trump and his supporters are not bothered by this says it all.
Correct. Trumps win has given the extreme right a sense of validity.
That Trumps supporters are either unable or unwilling to see the type of people his message resonates with is frightening.
People are so wrapped up their tribalism. That's part of why this tragedy took place. Red vs. Blue. Conservative vs. Liberal. Trump isn't a Republican. Not a traditional one. Real conservatives aren't Nationalistic heartless assholes. He ran as a Republican because, if you want to be President, you have to pick a side. If you run 3rd party, then you might make some noise but you'll never come close to winning. Hillary, for her part, is part of the Democratic hierarchy but isn't much of a liberal. Sure, she says all the right things but the banks and the corporations have owned her since the 90s and everyone except the most star-crossed Hllary fans knows that.
News on Marie Le Pen:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37964776
http://www.heraldscotland.com/opini...is_possible__Even_a_President_Le_Pen/?ref=rss
http://www.dw.com/en/daily-trump-eu-frets-le-pen-gushes-and-america-roils/a-36376470
Marie Le Pen was one of the first, with Vladimir Putin, to congratulate Trump on his win.
The Southern Law Poverty Center reports that there have been 200 incidents of racial or ethnic harassment in the days after the election.
http://www.dw.com/en/build-the-wall...eports-surge-in-us-after-trump-win/a-36351886
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...eful-harassment-and-intimidation-election-day
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37964776
http://www.heraldscotland.com/opini...is_possible__Even_a_President_Le_Pen/?ref=rss
http://www.dw.com/en/daily-trump-eu-frets-le-pen-gushes-and-america-roils/a-36376470
Marie Le Pen was one of the first, with Vladimir Putin, to congratulate Trump on his win.
The Southern Law Poverty Center reports that there have been 200 incidents of racial or ethnic harassment in the days after the election.
http://www.dw.com/en/build-the-wall...eports-surge-in-us-after-trump-win/a-36351886
https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...eful-harassment-and-intimidation-election-day
Yeah. First of all, Trump was outvoted. By millions, by the time the counting is completed. I've run into some ecstatic Trump people online saying "The people spoke," and yeah....they did. They spoke, and picked Hillary. The electoral college picked Trump.
I'm not one who is screaming that his election is illegitimate. By our laws, he won. Gore was screwed over in 2000 because of this (though to be fair, 2000 had way more shenanigans going on, with prominent Florida officials being active members of Bush's campaign and the Supreme Court stopping a recount....although Gore's team picked the wrong counties to recount, among other things) and now Hillary was screwed over because of it.
But it is what it is. Hillary didn't get the same sort of voter coalition in terms of demographics that Obama did. She didn't get the numbers Obama did. She didn't even win the female vote by the same levels as Obama did.....against a man who bragged about sexual assault. That's all on her, and she lost in the swing states because of it.
Do I think the electoral college needs to go? Yeah, I do. You have people who then complain that if it goes away, Clifornia and New York will pick the President." And that is such nonsense. Those have about ~ 15 million votes for the major party candidates between them. There are 120-130 million votes around the country. Millions more each cycle stay home and don't vote.
But....it is what it is. And by the current system, Trump won.
What's the problem with that? Well, aside from the fact that he represents the opposing party, if he acts as President in any way like he acted during the campaign, he'll be a divisive, bigoted, misogynist piece of crap.His essential temperament is also a huge question mark. The president is NOT just a figurehead, and many people are -- justifiably, considering this man's behavior -- worried about how he will conduct himself as leader both domestically and internationally.
I'll wait and see how he acts. I am not going to actively protest his presidency until he does something asinine, or one of his lackeys does something asinine. He could surprise me. He could genuinely be someone who grows into his job, and who delegates smartly. But his CAMPAIGN did nothing to suggest that. He ran by behaving badly, and routinely breaking all "the rules." That makes a person charismatic...in a way. It doesn't necessarily mean they know how to effectively govern. Or behave like an adult.
I said it on election night. George W. Bush made bad decisions as President in my opinion, but he was essentially a good man. Donald Trump has done nothing to suggest to me that he is a good man. He has done everything to suggest to me that he is a 70-year old adolescent with mental illness. That worries me.
No one is "crying wolf," Trump's racism and bigotry are factual and in the public domain. Link: Here Are 13 Examples of Donald Trump Being RacistYou did it to his brother George.
While we're on the subject of honesty, when it come to the subject of racism and bigotry your side has screamed it so often at republican candidates that you've become the boy who cried wolf. Dont blame the country for reaching the point that they stopped taking you seriously on the subjects.
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I'm really stunned at what little thought actually goes in to picking a candidate. Trump can say the most awful bigoted things, but at least he isn't Hillary Clinton. I truly wonder how bad someone has to be before some people would turn away in disgust, I wonder if there is a line they won't cross.
You're still not very good at this. The first tweak would actually increase jobless rates since it increases the length of time that someone counts as not or under employed (the definitions themselves are identical) and the second one merely argues we move the "headline number" from the U-3 to something with a broader definition (U-4 through 6).
The idea that the Obama administration "lied" about unemployment is a tired, basless hoax.
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I don't know it's much different than what you see in La Rasa (which could also translate into the people.
I worry more about the blue bloods. If folks attack Trump voters and such--those rust-belt states will stay red. But if Trump rubber-stamps anti-worker laws that Scott Walker and Paul Ryan want--those states will flip back blue and stay there.
We really don't know what Trump will do. I think Democrats need to reach out here.
Remember C.P. Ellis and Ann Atwater
http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/an-unlikely-friendship/Content?oid=1186022
Now, if it were up to Joy Reids at MSNBC, she would have just seen Ellis as the enemy--but we all have politics of the other. It comes from the cave. W. Kamau Bell and Adam Conover are what we need:
http://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...rview-adam-ruins-everything-election-special/
I worry more about the blue bloods. If folks attack Trump voters and such--those rust-belt states will stay red. But if Trump rubber-stamps anti-worker laws that Scott Walker and Paul Ryan want--those states will flip back blue and stay there.
We really don't know what Trump will do. I think Democrats need to reach out here.
Remember C.P. Ellis and Ann Atwater
http://www.indyweek.com/indyweek/an-unlikely-friendship/Content?oid=1186022
Now, if it were up to Joy Reids at MSNBC, she would have just seen Ellis as the enemy--but we all have politics of the other. It comes from the cave. W. Kamau Bell and Adam Conover are what we need:
http://www.esquire.com/entertainmen...rview-adam-ruins-everything-election-special/
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Every -- and I mean EVERY -- American who voted for Trump revealed to the world that they have a darkness within their hearts toward their fellow human being. I don't care if they claim "I don't support those things he said" and try to argue they did it for some rational political reason. They are lying to us, and moreover they are lying to themselves. Time for them to look in the mirror and accept who they are.
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