Who is going to win this election in November?

[Nyotarules]

It becomes a human life at birth. When the government tries to protect them, conservatives call it entitlement programs.

The attitude is - We don't want you to have a life, we just want you to be born....

It really shows how little they think of women. They aren't capable of making decisions about their body and they deserve less rights than a fetus. Of course once it's born, they don't care about it. It's just another leech draining their tax dollars.

The religous right obssession with what other humans do with their genitals is disturbing..

The hypocrisy of the Right to Life movement is sobering. Maybe they should actually work with women to explore the best ways to prevent unwanted pregnancies to begin with.

But, that would make Jesus cry... or something.

Blessed are the woman who give birth cos thats all they will get is a blessing

Odd. Makes me want to drink.

I prefer the idea of giving them the kool aid to drink

In the '50s, we were warned of the emerging religious right by Goldwater, who couldn't stand them. We paid no attention to him, just as we didn't pay any attention of Eisenhower's warning of the military industrial complex. And here we are today, the religious right got their man in office and own half of Congress and we know all about the military industrial complex.

Redneck America is in it's prime now.

Well if their man is a three times married, racist rabble rousing, adulterous liar then yeah he is the very epitome of right wing 'Christianity'

 

[Makarov]

I'm not a Trump supporter, did not vote for the man. I just see a lot of hateful insults and labelling under the guise of preaching peace coming from mostly one angle. Really does not seem that are being applied to a percentage of his voters but lumping them all into one bucket and making assumptions about their motives.

 

[Spider]

By that logic, any law is ownership of a person, since it would be telling people what to do.

Not at all. Laws to keep us from robbers and vandals and other bad sorts have always been with us, and always will be. Laws where the state is the owner, or has custody, of your body has not always been the case. Mostly that was about slavery, but today it's the same principle enacting laws telling women they don't have control over their own bodies.

 

[Rincewiend]

I'm not against all abortions, I just don't think that you should use it as a way of birth control as a way to not have a kid,

Where is the proof this happens and how prevallent is it?

especially when there are options like adoptions.

Who will adopt those kids? The same "Christians" fighting to ban abortions? The same ones who won't look or think twice about those kids?

 

[Nyotarules]

So you claim the right of the state of ownership over a person's body. Doesn't seem very American to me.

Actually it used to be an old American tradition......

 

[Tallguy]

I did a search for the current top three leaders of the Republican party, and I could not find one of them with wounded troops. There are pictures of Bush with wounded troops.

I didn't look for McConnell. I couldn't find any pictures of Ryan (discouraging). I didn't look for Reid or Pelosi.

Two things came to my mind:
* In both Britain and the United States, there was a period of austerity which lead to Brexit/Trump.
* HRC called for a change in the presidential election - direct representation of votes, no electoral college - after 2000. Yet, in 1979, VIce President Biden, then a Senator, voted against a resolution calling for direct representation of votes.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...eforms-to-electoral-college-after-bush-v-gore

What are the chances we will experience a repeat of 2000 and 2016 in the next twenty years? I think it is likely.

There hasn't been a Constitutional amendment in my life time, so I'm not familiar with the process. But I wonder if it would be a straight popular vote to determine if we would go to election by popular vote?

Ah, apparently it needs a 2/3 majority in the House and Senate. Since all states have equal representation in the Senate (including those most adversely affected by such an amendment) it would seem the Electoral College is not going anywhere.

If we had a country with a more evenly distributed population then a popular vote could work. Maybe. But as it is California and the East Coast would easily swamp "flyover country" in an election. As a resident that watches the planes go over (and can't stand California) I wouldn't appreciate that.

The Constitution has been unchanged for 45 years. (OK we ratified the 27th amendment in 1991 - after 202 years!) Is that good? Bad? (I tend to think bad. I don't think the Constitution should be "living" but I also don't think it should be unchanging.)

In what way did Obama not understand his mandate? Obama was magnanimous to his political opponents and willing to try and reach across the aisle almost to a fault, and it took years of the most blatant Congressional obstructionism since the civil rights struggle to finally make him realize that the Republicans simply were not interested in working with him on anything.

Two years after his election, when the Republican party was pronounced dead and not coming back, his party was swept from the House. (I don't remember when they lost the Senate and I'm not looking it up.) At the time the ACA was past Speaker Pelosi even suggested that many Democrats would lose their seats over it.

Not that polls meant much this election, but at no point was the House or the Senate considered to be in much jeopardy for the Republicans even when the presidency was in serious doubt. There was concern some months ago that Trump would be a drag on congressional Republicans but even before the election that was looking to be not the case. Most of the "Never Trump" crowd (hiya!) was going to still vote down ticket. (SOMEONE had to oppose President Clinton, amirite?)

Actually it used to be an old American tradition......

We're rather out of step with some (much?) of the world now on that score.

 

[indycar]

Where is the proof this happens and how prevallent is it?


Who will adopt those kids? The same "Christians" fighting to ban abortions? The same ones who won't look or think twice about those kids?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1238612/Girls-using-abortion-birth-control.html

As for who will adopt them, I don't know who will. I guess my issue with abortion is that people want to have as much sex as they want, but they don't want to deal with the consequences.

 

[Nyotarules]

We're rather out of step with some (much?) of the world now on that score.

Thank God for that, one example in your history when states rights got screwed.

 

[Spider]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1238612/Girls-using-abortion-birth-control.html

As for who will adopt them, I don't know who will. I guess my issue with abortion is that people want to have as much sex as they want, but they don't want to deal with the consequences.

OK, not only do you NOT want women to have control over their own bodies, you don't want them having sex either. Great selling point there. LOL

 

[WarpFactorZ]

War is good for business! But it does not benefit billionaire hotel owners with a draft dodging past.

If it comes to that point, someone won't give a shit about his hotel business. He'll be king of the world.

 

[Rincewiend]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1238612/Girls-using-abortion-birth-control.html

As for who will adopt them, I don't know who will. I guess my issue with abortion is that people want to have as much sex as they want, but they don't want to deal with the consequences.

The Daily Mail?!?
Really?!?

Read this and get yourself educated:

https://groundedparents.com/2015/02/05/foiling-fallacies-women-who-use-abortion-as-birth-control/

 

[Nyotarules]

OK, not only do you NOT want women to have control over their own bodies, you don't want them having sex either. Great selling point there. LOL

Of couse they want woman having sex, who else are those big married business men and married evangelical clergy going to have affairs with...men????

The Daily Mail?!?
Really?!?

British right wing Pravda

 

[indycar]

The Daily Mail?!?
Really?!?

Yeah, I didn't really know much about it until just now. I'd heard of them, but I didn't realize that they were a tabloid.

 

[Nyotarules]

Yeah, I didn't really know much about it until just now. I'd heard of them, but I didn't realize that they were a tabloid.

Traditionally a right wing middle class tabloid. A classy version of National Enquirer in some aspects

 

[indycar]

Traditionally a right wing middle class tabloid. A classy version of National Enquirer in some aspects

I guess I could say I'm more than a little embarrassed.

 

[Squiggy]

I guess I'm painting with a broad brush then. Other than the "My president is Charlton Heston" types (who said the same thing when G.W. Bush was in office) who said Mr. Obama was not their president?

Here's a Facebook group called "Obama is NOT my President". It has 2,500 likes.

There's also an entire industry set up to sell "Obama is Not My President" to people who feel that way. T-shirts. Mugs. Bumper stickers. You name it. "Obama is Not My President has been slapped on it. Here's a Google Image Search. Thousands of results.

Who said Obama was not their President? All those people.

Seriously? Where have you been since 2008? Those people are wrong and the people saying it today is wrong. You can say Obama/Trump doesn't represent me. Go for it. He's still your President.

You don't have to like him.

 

[indycar]

OK, not only do you NOT want women to have control over their own bodies, you don't want them having sex either. Great selling point there. LOL

I never said that I do not want anybody to not have sex. In fact, I think a good solution to have as much sex as you want without having any unwanted pregnancy is becoming sterile, and this can apply to both men or women.

 

[indycar]

I admit that I do not support abortions, for various reasons, but I will not continue to talk about since I have said my peace and I will continue to post on various boards, meaning I don't want my difference of opinion to cause further issues with anybody later on. Finally, I thank those of you who may have disagreed with me for being respectful of my opinion and even bringing up points to support their view. I may not agree with you, but I can at least respect you.

 

[STR]

I can only imagine that you have avatars and sigs turned off or you would hopefully see my pro-Hillary avatar and my anti-Trump sig, the Trump supporter I was quoting on ignore or you'd get the context under which I was making my remarks, and have rarely visited Miscellaneous and TNZ and any political thread to know that I have been strongly anti-Trump throughout (and prior to) his campaign and a dirty hippie liberal from Commiefornia. But I still can't see how you read the rest of that post and thought I was a Trump supporter.

Other than that massive misinterpretation, I agree with your general point about Trump voters, regardless of whether their primary motivation for voting for him was bigotry, were willing to excuse the rampant bigotry of the candidate and his surrogates and supporters. It's something they should own up to and fight now that they've won instead of denying it or else their other valid concerns about their economic status will be overlooked in all the hateful rhetoric.

No I saw it, which is part of the reason why I mentioned "figurative you". I was respectfully, yet vehemently, disagreeing with people who are trying to divorce their actions from the consequences.

I'm sorry if that wasn't clear enough.

 

[Nyotarules]

I guess I could say I'm more than a little embarrassed.

Why not check the government statistic website, they are as close to neutral as you will get. Never expect facts from any newspaper whether left or right wing, they present news to suit their political postion.