Who is going to win this election in November?

[Robert Maxwell]

Yeah deductibles have gone way up. Lady at work had to pay like $10,000 before insurance would start paying. Same insurance company, but the coverage is starting to suck and the price has doubled.

My insurance rates have held steady at a pretty reasonable amount. Same goes for all my coworkers and most people I know.

I also know lots of people who now have insurance (or can now afford it) who didn't before.

Seems Obamacare is working.

*sips tea*

 

[Tallguy]

Will the Mexican wall be Mr Trump's Guantanomo bay?

If that means that it was nonsense when he promised it? Yep.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Here we go again.

This is the problem with arguing with nihilists. Ok, you're pro abortion, and you're also ok with yourself being aborted, and you have disdain for moral arguments.

Its called a joke since you're unfamiliar with the concept.

That doesn't make you consistent, it just means you apply your own self hate onto the rest of us worthless slugs. It's not a real argument.

I don't hate myself. But at least we agree on the part I underlined. See we're making progress.

 

[Long Syntax]

Trite I'll give you, but if "special snowflake" is what qualifies as condescending... well, let's just say I wouldn't recommend you pick up a part-time job as a referee or collection agent.

Yeah, if you didn't read back in this thread I can see how you would think that was thin skinned. In fact I really don't care about the special snowflake comment, I was just putting in a dig based on the MOD's assessment of my comment of safe space being condescending (the second bold set added by me to highlight the specific comment)...

Possum is transgendered and is facing far more than a simple bombardment with harsh ideas, which she is more than capable of dealing with as you can see from her handling of the discussion here. So it would be nice if you didn't fall back on the trite "safe space" condescending insult so many others have resorted to.

 

[MacLeod]

My insurance rates have held steady at a pretty reasonable amount. Same goes for all my coworkers and most people I know.

I also know lots of people who now have insurance (or can now afford it) who didn't before.

Seems Obamacare is working.

*sips tea*

Isn't this part of the overall theme.

If X isn't working for you, when you discuss it with your friends/work colleagues etc because they move in a similar circle to you it isn't working for them and vice versa if it's working.

There in lies part of the problem, some of the choices a Government makes are good for me others not so much.

 

[fonzob1]

My insurance rates have held steady at a pretty reasonable amount. Same goes for all my coworkers and most people I know.
I also know lots of people who now have insurance (or can now afford it) who didn't before.

Seems Obamacare is working.

*sips tea*

Hospital business offices accross the U.S. don't share your perspective. To each his own though

 

[Awesome Possum]

This is what I have an issue with, I've made some posts on this thread. I've had different views on this thread with some other people, but I don't believe that I've been disrespectful to anybody on here. However, I ask question, a legitimate question in my opinion. Yet your response is that somehow all my posts or my (along with anybody who shares them) thoughts are inferior or wrong since you have to "suffer" through them. I'm entitled to my thoughts and I have treated people fine on this board and I expect the same from them in return.

It's a meaningless question. If I had been aborted I wouldn't be alive. So I couldn't have an opinion about it. Pro-choice people aren't pro-abortion, in fact most of us wouldn't choose it as an option. But we want it to be an option because we can't know what will happen. If your wife or daughter was pregnant and something went wrong, would you prefer they die instead of having an abortion? That's a real scenario many people have to live through.

 

[Lakenheath 72]

I did not intend to disparage any person on the right. I am making an effort at attempting to understand the right, and failing for I have difficulty in seeing their world through their "eyes" and having to wade through some very extreme negative comments.

I did a search for the current top three leaders of the Republican party, and I could not find one of them with wounded troops. There are pictures of Bush with wounded troops.

Two things came to my mind:
* In both Britain and the United States, there was a period of austerity which lead to Brexit/Trump.
* HRC called for a change in the presidential election - direct representation of votes, no electoral college - after 2000. Yet, in 1979, VIce President Biden, then a Senator, voted against a resolution calling for direct representation of votes.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...eforms-to-electoral-college-after-bush-v-gore

What are the chances we will experience a repeat of 2000 and 2016 in the next twenty years? I think it is likely.

 

[MacLeod]

I did not intend to disparage any person on the right. I am making an effort at attempting to understand the right, and failing for I have difficulty in seeing their world through their "eyes" and having to wade through some very extreme negative comments.

I did a search for the current top three leaders of the Republican party, and I could not find one of them with wounded troops. There are pictures of Bush with wounded troops.

Two things came to my mind:
* In both Britain and the United States, there was a period of austerity which lead to Brexit/Trump.
* HRC called for a change in the presidential election - direct representation of votes, no electoral college - after 2000. Yet, in 1979, VIce President Biden, then a Senator, voted against a resolution calling for direct representation of votes.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...eforms-to-electoral-college-after-bush-v-gore

What are the chances we will experience a repeat of 2000 and 2016 in the next twenty years? I think it is likely.

Isn't there a propsal to award the individual States college votes to the candidate that wins the popular vote. I believe it has gotten to 165 out of the rquired 270 votes EC votes to make it work.

 

[Nyotarules]

It's a meaningless question. If I had been aborted I wouldn't be alive. So I couldn't have an opinion about it. Pro-choice people aren't pro-abortion, in fact most of us wouldn't choose it as an option. But we want it to be an option because we can't know what will happen. If your wife or daughter was pregnant and something went wrong, would you prefer they die instead of having an abortion? That's a real scenario many people have to live through.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...n-Ireland-after-being-denied-an-abortion.html

And this happened in a Western country where religion has too much influence

 

[indycar]

It's a meaningless question. If I had been aborted I wouldn't be alive. So I couldn't have an opinion about it. Pro-choice people aren't pro-abortion, in fact most of us wouldn't choose it as an option. But we want it to be an option because we can't know what will happen. If your wife or daughter was pregnant and something went wrong, would you prefer they die instead of having an abortion? That's a real scenario many people have to live through.

As I said earlier, I support abortion in certain cases, such as the one you mentioned. However, you did not say why my posts is something that you must "suffer" through.

 

[Awesome Possum]

As I said earlier, I support abortion in certain cases, such as the one you mentioned. However, you did not say why my posts is something that you must "suffer" through.

It's a joke, an exaggeration.

 

[fonzob1]

I did not intend to disparage any person on the right. I am making an effort at attempting to understand the right, and failing for I have difficulty in seeing their world through their "eyes" and having to wade through some very extreme negative comments.

I did a search for the current top three leaders of the Republican party, and I could not find one of them with wounded troops. There are pictures of Bush with wounded troops.

Two things came to my mind:
* In both Britain and the United States, there was a period of austerity which lead to Brexit/Trump.
* HRC called for a change in the presidential election - direct representation of votes, no electoral college - after 2000. Yet, in 1979, VIce President Biden, then a Senator, voted against a resolution calling for direct representation of votes.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...eforms-to-electoral-college-after-bush-v-gore

What are the chances we will experience a repeat of 2000 and 2016 in the next twenty years? I think it is likely.

I agree. Our elections are so close now that the popular vote and electoral vote are bound to contradict each other again one day.

The reason why Joe Biden opposed changing the current system is because he comes from a small state with less than a million people in it, and going strictly by popular vote would make votes in his state even more worthless.

 

[Phoenix219]

I gotta give credit - good one. I wasn't happy with that either.

Good, because it is yet again another one of the distorted media truths that didn't exactly happen:

https://www.catholics4trump.com/the-true-story-donald-trump-did-not-mock-a-reporters-disability/

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Ban me or do whatever you're going to do, but I don't need to be preached to.

I don't have the power to ban anyone, and I don't think anything you have said is worthy of being banned even if I did, so relax. You're taking part in a back and forth discussion. If you can't handle that, don't let the door to the internet hit you on the way out. But don't sit here telling people not to reply to you.

If you don't want to defend your position then leave. We aren't going to hold your hand and treat you like a special snowflake for having a belief. If you make a claim, you have to defend it.

I admonished a conservative poster for calling people "special snowflakes" earlier in the thread. The same applies to progressive posters. Let's knock it off please.

Special snowflake - it seems only some of us may use trite condescending insults. You know nothing about me or my life - mostly because I don't wear it on my sleeve (unlike some) - so don't pretend to know anything about me.

You're just looking for a fight that I won't give you. I now return you back to your regularly scheduled hissy fit.

I'm not here 24/7 to address every comment in real time. Christ, give me a bit of time to respond.

By the way, complaining about "special snowflake" by responding with the equally insulting "hissy fit" in the same post doesn't really make your point well.

This isn't really true to this thread. Emotionally charged insults towards Trump supporters, including implying that they're all racist etc.., or that this is what people were voting for when they chose him, is the most prolific ugly insult that I can see.

Do you guys not get the concept of percentages or something? It's not an all or nothing zero sum game. The existence of a large block of racist voters supporting Trump does not mean all Trump supporters are racist. Denial of the plainly friggin' obvious does not make discussion with you easy. There has to be a baseline of basic facts to work with to have a dialogue, and the fact is that there is a broad swath of voters who supported Trump because of his bigoted rhetoric, and they now feel emboldened and willing to emerge into the daylight because they think they're the mainstream now. But they're not.

But yes, I believe Mr. Trump may totally understand his mandate. Mr. Obama didn't understand his, either.

In what way did Obama not understand his mandate? Obama was magnanimous to his political opponents and willing to try and reach across the aisle almost to a fault, and it took years of the most blatant Congressional obstructionism since the civil rights struggle to finally make him realize that the Republicans simply were not interested in working with him on anything.

 

[Nyotarules]

Good, because it is yet again another one of the distorted media truths that didn't exactly happen:

https://www.catholics4trump.com/the-true-story-donald-trump-did-not-mock-a-reporters-disability/

A reliable neutral source - Thanks!

 

[Awesome Possum]

Understood LoB.

I guess this is a hoax then, must be CGI.

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[indycar]

It's a joke, an exaggeration.

The "joke" seems to insult my post and my views.

 

[Awesome Possum]

The "joke" seems to insult my post and my views.

I at least would not deny you the right to choose how you live your life. If you don't like abortions, don't have one. You don't get to force it on others. Your morality is up to you and you alone.

Do you honestly believe it isn't insulting to force others to live by your standards because you think yours are superior?

 

[indycar]

I at least would not deny you the right to choose how you live your life. If you don't like abortions, don't have one. You don't get to force it on others. Your morality is up to you and you alone.

I'm not against all abortions, I just don't think that you should use it as a way of birth control as a way to not have a kid, especially when there are options like adoptions.