Who is going to win this election in November?

[Long Syntax]

I for one am happy with the outcome of the election. For my part it was a big middle finger to the establishment.

 

[{ Emilia }]

I for one am happy with the outcome of the election. For my part it was a big middle finger to the establishment.

And telling off the establishment surely outweighs the fact that the country will soon be run by an incompetent misogynistic racist with a very low attention span and no interest in policy details?

Hey, I get the "Fuck the power!" attitude but that doesn't make this any less of a tragedy for the US (and the world?).

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Not really, not in context.

You mean the context that implied that people who are complaining only have lame excuses? Yes, it is.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Exactly how is voting and electing a billionaire the "middlefinger to the establishment"?

 

[fonzob1]

Some world governments don't like Trump because he is going to stiff arm foreign aid they were use to under Obama. Trump isn't going to be the gloom and doom some Americans think he will be, and he will probably only serve one term anyway because we are destined to fall into a recession and increase our debt in the next 4 years regardless of who is President.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Just leaving that here: Aaron Sorkin's open letter to his daughters published by Vanity Fair:

Sorkin Girls,

Well the world changed late last night in a way I couldn’t protect us from. That’s a terrible feeling for a father. I won’t sugarcoat it—this is truly horrible. It’s hardly the first time my candidate didn’t win (in fact it’s the sixth time) but it is the first time that a thoroughly incompetent pig with dangerous ideas, a serious psychiatric disorder, no knowledge of the world and no curiosity to learn has.

And it wasn’t just Donald Trump who won last night—it was his supporters too. The Klan won last night. White nationalists. Sexists, racists and buffoons. Angry young white men who think rap music and Cinco de Mayo are a threat to their way of life (or are the reason for their way of life) have been given cause to celebrate. Men who have no right to call themselves that and who think that women who aspire to more than looking hot are shrill, ugly, and otherwise worthy of our scorn rather than our admiration struck a blow for misogynistic shitheads everywhere. Hate was given hope. Abject dumbness was glamorized as being “the fresh voice of an outsider” who’s going to “shake things up.” (Did anyone bother to ask how? Is he going to re-arrange the chairs in the Roosevelt Room?) For the next four years, the President of the United States, the same office held by Washington and Jefferson, Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt, F.D.R., J.F.K. and Barack Obama, will be held by a man-boy who’ll spend his hours exacting Twitter vengeance against all who criticize him (and those numbers will be legion). We’ve embarrassed ourselves in front of our children and the world.

So what do we do?

First of all, we remember that we’re not alone. A hundred million people in America and a billion more around the world feel exactly the same way we do.

Second, we get out of bed. The Trumpsters want to see people like us (Jewish, “coastal elites,” educated, socially progressive, Hollywood…) sobbing and wailing and talking about moving to Canada. I won’t give them that and neither will you. Here’s what we’ll do…

…we’ll fucking fight. (Roxy, there’s a time for this kind of language and it’s now.) We’re not powerless and we’re not voiceless. We don’t have majorities in the House or Senate but we do have representatives there. It’s also good to remember that most members of Trump’s own party feel exactly the same way about him that we do. We make sure that the people we sent to Washington—including Kamala Harris—take our strength with them and never take a day off.

We get involved. We do what we can to fight injustice anywhere we see it—whether it’s writing a check or rolling up our sleeves. Our family is fairly insulated from the effects of a Trump presidency so we fight for the families that aren’t. We fight for a woman to keep her right to choose. We fight for the First Amendment and we fight mostly for equality—not for a guarantee of equal outcomes but for equal opportunities. We stand up.

America didn’t stop being America last night and we didn’t stop being Americans and here’s the thing about Americans: Our darkest days have always—always—been followed by our finest hours.

Roxy, I know my predictions have let you down in the past, but personally, I don’t think this guy can make it a year without committing an impeachable crime. If he does manage to be a douche nozzle without breaking the law for four years, we’ll make it through those four years. And three years from now we’ll fight like hell for our candidate and we’ll win and they’ll lose and this time they’ll lose for good. Honey, it’ll be your first vote.

The battle isn’t over, it’s just begun. Grandpa fought in World War II and when he came home this country handed him an opportunity to make a great life for his family. I will not hand his granddaughter a country shaped by hateful and stupid men. Your tears last night woke me up, and I’ll never go to sleep on you again.

Love,

Dad

 

[fonzob1]

There is plenty of hate to go around I guess. My hope is that Trump fullfills his promises to create jobs and improve quality of life (including in the inner cities). Clearly others heard the same promises, and have the same hope, because more African and Hispanic Americans voted for Trump in 2016 than for Romney in 2012.

 

[Long Syntax]

Exactly how is voting and electing a billionaire the "middlefinger to the establishment"?

Even the establishment Republicans don't like him, which is a huge plus IMHO. I'm tired of electing folks into office and then having them not do what they said they were going to do. He's an outsider, and quite honestly the movement is larger than him, so taking shots at him does nothing to diminish my support.

Oh, and the arrogant douche-bags in the main stream media telling me how to think just reinforces my support

 

[jamestyler]

You mean the context that implied that people who are complaining only have lame excuses? Yes, it is.

In the context of....

I find this rather odd that people on social media are complaining about the election result, and then when you ask them why they say they never voted, didn't want to vote.

Throwing your vote away when you want a certain outcome is ridiculous. If these people are upset about a Trump victory, why didn't they want to vote? There's only one way to avoid a Trump victory, after all.

Why people make their voice heard in protest, but not when it actually matters is a question that should be given a lot of thought across a lot of nations, not just the US.

I for one am happy with the outcome of the election. For my part it was a big middle finger to the establishment.

A reality TV star and his conversion-therapy loving sidekick is a middle finger to the establishment?

 

[Long Syntax]

A reality TV star and his conversion-therapy loving sidekick is a middle finger to the establishment?

I'm glad you see it my way

 

[fonzob1]

A reality TV star and his conversion-therapy loving sidekick is a middle finger to the establishment?

It is because Trump is not a career politician and won't play by the same rules.

 

[{ Emilia }]

It is because Trump is not a career politician and won't play by the same rules.

You mean the rules of civilized public discourse, basic human decency, respect for one another and human dignity, and pluralistic democracy?

Or the rule to only lie to the public once in a while whereas he lies all the fucking time?

 

[Robert Maxwell]

There is plenty of hate to go around I guess. My hope is that Trump fullfills his promises to create jobs and improve quality of life (including in the inner cities). Clearly others heard the same promises, and have the same hope, because more African and Hispanic Americans voted for Trump in 2016 than for Romney in 2012.

Nope, he's gonna tank the economy. If you read his 100-day plan, his policies are designed to do just that.

I mean, holy shit, the man wants to massively expand fossil fuel extraction... in the midst of a glut mired in depressed commodity prices. This is the textbook definition of "stupid."

The man has no clue what he's doing and his advisors are cranks and opportunists.

Some of Trump's fascist wet dreams aren't gonna happen, but with a compliant Congress, he is likely to get his raft of economic policies through, and they are gonna be an absolute disaster. You might pay a little less in taxes, but you will be sacrificing the stability of this country.

 

[fonzob1]

Nope, he's gonna tank the economy. If you read his 100-day plan, his policies are designed to do just that.
I mean, holy shit, the man wants to massively expand fossil fuel extraction... in the midst of a glut mired in depressed commodity prices. This is the textbook definition of "stupid."

The man has no clue what he's doing and his advisors are cranks and opportunists.

Some of Trump's fascist wet dreams aren't gonna happen, but with a compliant Congress, he is likely to get his raft of economic policies through, and they are gonna be an absolute disaster. You might pay a little less in taxes, but you will be sacrificing the stability of this country.

Well, I certainly hope he knows something about the economy you don’t because Trump being president is now a reality.

 

[DonIago]

He probably knows more about bankruptcy proceedings...

 

[jamestyler]

I'm glad you see it my way

Well played

In seriousness, my country gave a middle finger to the establishment by voting them out (almost entirely) and replacing them with people we have hope in.

It wasn't an easy won battle, and I know that the US doesn't have the same set up (just getting a third party on the ticket nationwide would be impossible financially and logistically for a third party in the immediate - or even far future) but this - voting someone with no experience and how he's acted in the campaign trail alone just feels the opposite of that, and of any form of social progression.

This feels like self sabotage. Where eight years ago there was so much hope and positivity about what could be, there is now the opposite vibe; both candidates seemed to rile up a very negative atmosphere. One suffered because of negativity to them, the other succeeded because of negativity he created.

Sticking it to the man is always a good move in my rebellious book. But electing someone with no political experience who hasn't displayed any respectable quality.... it's not the time or the way to do it. And with the policies proposed and a wingman from the stone age, there is a very real chance that it's not the establishment that'll get the middle finger - but the people.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I feel like America committed suicide.

 

[fireproof78]

I feel like America committed suicide.

I felt the same way 8 years ago. It's tough.

 

[Long Syntax]

Here is reality (obliviously from my perspective, so take it for what it's worth) - we, the US, is a divided nation. Almost exactly half of the nation has diametrically opposed viewpoints. There is no middle ground anymore, and I tend to blame that on politicians. The only way they get leverage is by dividing us. The rhetoric has been so heated in the last 50 years that the parties have totally weeded out the middle ground. This leads, among other things admittedly, to the unbridgeable gulf between left and right.

A non politician - fine by me.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

You have to ask yourself: what is the source of that division? Not in terms of politicians, but ideologically.