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The "YoungSpock Universe" since this is a younger version of Spock.
But then both of them were totally separate people and not the same person split across timelines.
But then both of them were totally separate people and not the same person split across timelines.
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I suppose one could call it "The Kelvin Incident Universe," but that would be pretty cumbersome for regular use. Hmm, shorthand: KU (KIU) vs BU?
For whatever it's worth, Mike Okuda originally planned to call it the "Hobus timeline" since it span off from the supernova which destroyed Romulus. That too was a Prime-universe event.
I think "Kelvin timeline" works, because all the changes spin-off from the Kelvin's encounter with Nero.
I think "Kelvin timeline" works, because all the changes spin-off from the Kelvin's encounter with Nero.
The only problem I have with the "Kelvin timeline" term is the word timeline. It's not a timeline divergence, it's a different and alternate universe altogether, just like the Mirror universe.
Not of you follow the logic of TNG's Parallels, which is what Orci & Co purported to do.
Which was abandoned by Simon Pegg and Doug Jung (by their own admission).
It has to be its own universe. How else can the existence of two versions of Spock be for one. We had old Spock from our universe and a new version which was also much younger in an alternate universe created by Neros shenanigans
There was nothing in the story that changes anything about the original setup.
I think Marcus was already leading his own "Make StarFleet great again!" campaign.
What we need is Paramount to start a "Make Star Trek great again!" movement.
Once.
Twice.
Third and last caution: let's keep the current politics out of this forum. A lot of people are on edge right now, and the last thing I want is a political brawl breaking out over the election in a forum for discussing Star Trek.
(Yes, there really have been problems with that in previous election years—yes, even when it's meant just as a joke—hence this policy. Discuss Star Trek here, and save any mention of current politics for forums appropriate to the subject.)
"With the Kelvin timeline, we are not entirely beholden to existing canon, this is an alternate reality and, as such is full of new and alternate possibilities. “BUT WAIT!” I hear you brilliant and beautiful super Trekkies cry, “Canon tells us, Hikaru Sulu was born before the Kelvin incident, so how could his fundamental humanity be altered? Well, the explanation comes down to something very Star Treky; theoretical, quantum physics and the less than simple fact that time is not linear. Sure, we experience time as a contiguous series of cascading events but perception and reality aren’t always the same thing. Spock’s incursion from the Prime Universe created a multidimensional reality shift. The rift in space/time created an entirely new reality in all directions, top to bottom, from the Big Bang to the end of everything. As such this reality was, is and always will be subtly different from the Prime Universe. I don’t believe for one second that Gene Roddenberry wouldn’t have loved the idea of an alternate reality (Mirror, Mirror anyone?). This means, and this is absolutely key, the Kelvin universe can evolve and change in ways that don’t necessarily have to follow the Prime Universe at any point in history, before or after the events of Star Trek ‘09, it can mutate and subvert, it is a playground for the new and the progressive and I know in my heart, that Gene Roddenberry would be proud of us for keeping his ideals alive."
-- Simon Pegg
Still nothing in the actual story that contradicts the Orci/Kurtzman interpretation.
Yeah, but the alternate universe theory is a lot cleaner - all the redesigns of the tech & aliens are all cool then.
I mean cool as in smooth, they fit without any effort.For me, they're cool any way. Regardless of the behind-the-scene explanation.
The little caveat that events *may* have been altered both ways in the Encyclopedia was very probably added as future-proofing, because Star Trek: Discovery is being made by a completely different and separate creative team and is set around 2255. The Kelvin movies (if they continue) are continuing past 2264. Both will likely establish more and more backstory as they go on which doesn't jibe with a 2233 split.
It's worth pointing out that the recent The Star Trek Book has the same branching timeline chart we've seen in from licensed sources since 2009.
It's worth pointing out that the recent The Star Trek Book has the same branching timeline chart we've seen in from licensed sources since 2009.
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