Who is going to win this election in November?

[BJ Wagner]

The next four years is probably not gonna be real pleasant for the LGBT community is it?

That putz Pence is rather homophobic to the point he apparently wanted to divert funding from HIV prevention to conversion therapy.

Not to mention those who support abortion.

Here in Canada the general sense is a feeling of sadness and concern for anyone in the US who is worried about being discriminated against for their beliefs or orientation. Having their current rights taken away by outdated values. Sure there's some concern about trade and relations with the states, but we truly hope things won't go in the direction Trump said he would try to take them during the election race.

 

[fireproof78]

Republic, actually.

Yup.

Also, I liked this article by Cracked.com. It's actually an interesting breakdown of many of the hot button issues and were the US is polling. I found it rather interesting given many reactions right now.

Not to mention those who support abortion.

Here in Canada the general sense is a feeling of sadness and concern for anyone in the US who is worried about being discriminated against for their beliefs or orientation. Having their current rights taken away by outdated values. Sure there's some concern about trade and relations with the states, but we truly hope things won't go in the direction Trump said he would try to take them during the election race.

One of the aspects of Trump that I listened from him was not that he was trying to repeal Roe v. Wade and make abortion illegal. He wanted to repeal it and send it back to the states and let them decide for themselves.

The states really have more say in their affairs than they are given credit for.

 

[Timby]

If you had told me a few years ago that an old, racist, orange-skinned member of the WWE Hall of Fame would become the next president of the United States, I would have thought you were talking about Hulk Hogan.

But here we are.

 

[fireproof78]

If you had told me a few years ago that an old, racist, orange-skinned member of the WWE Hall of Fame would become the next president of the United States, I would have thought you were talking about Hulk Hogan.

But here we are.

Hogan for president 2020?

 

[The Lonely Man]

If you had told me a few years ago that an old, racist, orange-skinned member of the WWE Hall of Fame would become the next president of the United States, I would have thought you were talking about Hulk Hogan.

But here we are.

Hogan has been been expressing his delight with the result online today. He used to be a hero of mine.
Vince McMahon has been very quiet today, it's no secret he and Trump are big friends and his wife donated $6 million to Trump's campaign.

 

[Nyotarules]

Not to mention those who support abortion.

Here in Canada the general sense is a feeling of sadness and concern for anyone in the US who is worried about being discriminated against for their beliefs or orientation. Having their current rights taken away by outdated values. Sure there's some concern about trade and relations with the states, but we truly hope things won't go in the direction Trump said he would try to take them during the election race.

Trade with U.K cos we will need it! lol

 

[Nyotarules]

Pollsters and commentators keep talking about the undereducated American, is the education system so bad in the USA? Don't you all invest in educating your chidlren?

 

[Tenacity]

And it appears, once again, that the person who got the most votes, loses.

Do we have a final count? Haven't checked the news since this morning.

 

[fireproof78]

Pollsters and commentators keep talking about the undereducated American, is the education system so bad in the USA? Don't you all invest in educating your chidlren?

Well, I do. Have my own curriculum, state standards, milestones and expectations for their development. I have the support of my mom, a nurse practitioner, and work with their teachers. My daughters often work together to help each other on their homework.

That's all I can do. Not sure about the rest of the USA.

 

[JWPlatt]

The mandate for this election isn't "angry white men". It's a bunch of Americans demanding change, any change.

I read that the mandate, like Brexit, is against globalization, which translates to things such as jobs and immigration; the working class. I guess it depends on who you read.

 

[JohnChod]

Everyone, take a deep breath and settle down. I've been around for a good many of these presendential elections. This is not the first time that people claimed doom and gloom and threatened to leave the USA before we all became oppressed and downtrodden.

Like every other candidate before, most of the promises will be broken. The boastful rhetoric will be silenced. The government will slog through the days ahead just as it has all the days past. Trump will not single handedly destroy the nation, even with a Republican majority in the house and senate. We've had those majorities before - both with and without a Republican president - and the nation somehow survived.

I strongly lamented what I felt was the absence of a truly viable candidate from either major party. Clinton carried a lot of baggage from a lot of bad situations. She may have had some experience, but I don't believe her performance in previous offices, whether elected or appointed, was particularly noteworthy. Does poor performance in previous positions trump (pun intended) no experience in the political arena at all? Apparently not.

I find it odd that so many point out the lies of Trump while so few were willing to accept that Clinton was a highly practiced liar as well. There were quite a few rumbles about Clinton's racist attitudes as well. It seems that those were kept under wraps while Trump seemed to lack the filter to avoid spouting them in public.

My gravest concern is the continuing divide in America. The nearly 50-50 split in popular vote is evidence of just how wide that split is. But even worse is the extremism. So many seem to be either so far to the left or so far to the right, that they fail to understand that the middle ground is where we need to be. Both the Republican and Democratic parties have adopted that same extremism - "If you don't lean far enough our way, we're not letting you in - we're not lending you our support." It may be the chicken or the egg problem - did the parties do this first and the constituents followed, or did the populace drive the parties that way?

So, there IS much to be concerned about in regard to American politics. But it's the politics of the society, not any one individual. Trump, and Clinton for that matter, are merely symptoms. I fear that we all played a role in bringing them upon ourselves. Are they truly the best this country has to offer and why are we willing to accept that?

 

[Spider]

Do we have a final count? Haven't checked the news since this morning.

I've been using the google page for all my info. https://www.google.com/search?sourc...15&q=election+results#eob=enn/o//////////////

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

I read this morning that the Canadian immigration website crashed, which I find amusing.

For all the people who voted against Trump, my condolences.

This has already been said but I feel like voicing my thoughts. When I think of all the progress that has been made with Obama regarding the rights of the LGBT community, I feel deeply saddened.

America took a giant step forward with electing the first black man as president. Now it's taken a giant step backwards.

*sigh*

 

[jamestyler]

I remember at the end of 2008 I had liberal friends who were convinced President Bush would declare himself President for Life and disregard the election. He had never said anything like that. Never hinted it. Never even indicated that he wanted it. (My opinion was that he probably didn't think he could get out of that house fast enough.) But they "just knew he was thinking it".

Interestingly, I watched Bush win with a large group of friends. The general feeling of the room was "We're gonig to war, aren't we?"

Sometimes the gut feeling is right.

On the Hogan comment elsewhere - it's worth noting that when WWE ran a story that Trump bought the company, people went into a panic. Stocks dropped, shareholders were assured that it was fictional and the story quickly changed.

They can't change the story this time.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Everyone, take a deep breath and settle down. I've been around for a good many of these presendential elections. This is not the first time that people claimed doom and gloom and threatened to leave the USA before we all became oppressed and downtrodden.

Like every other candidate before, most of the promises will be broken. The boastful rhetoric will be silenced. The government will slog through the days ahead just as it has all the days past. Trump will not single handedly destroy the nation, even with a Republican majority in the house and senate. We've had those majorities before - both with and without a Republican president - and the nation somehow survived.

I strongly lamented what I felt was the absence of a truly viable candidate from either major party. Clinton carried a lot of baggage from a lot of bad situations. She may have had some experience, but I don't believe her performance in previous offices, whether elected or appointed, was particularly noteworthy. Does poor performance in previous positions trump (pun intended) no experience in the political arena at all? Apparently not.

I find it odd that so many point out the lies of Trump while so few were willing to accept that Clinton was a highly practiced liar as well. There were quite a few rumbles about Clinton's racist attitudes as well. It seems that those were kept under wraps while Trump seemed to lack the filter to avoid spouting them in public.

My gravest concern is the continuing divide in America. The nearly 50-50 split in popular vote is evidence of just how wide that split is. But even worse is the extremism. So many seem to be either so far to the left or so far to the right, that they fail to understand that the middle ground is where we need to be. Both the Republican and Democratic parties have adopted that same extremism - "If you don't lean far enough our way, we're not letting you in - we're not lending you our support." It may be the chicken or the egg problem - did the parties do this first and the constituents followed, or did the populace drive the parties that way?

So, there IS much to be concerned about in regard to American politics. But it's the politics of the society, not any one individual. Trump, and Clinton for that matter, are merely symptoms. I fear that we all played a role in bringing them upon ourselves. Are they truly the best this country has to offer and why are we willing to accept that?

This entire post is a "both sides" fallacy.

 

[Makarov]

When did he do this? A lot of Trump supporters (not all) are racist, misogynistic, ignorant, prejudiced hate mongers. They welcomed his message with open arms. Why is that? If I moved in next door to them tomorrow they would shoot me and bury my body if they could. The foundation of the USA was built on blood, so I am not surprised.

If you're a minority, well, then you're fucked. Trump will go out of his way to label your entire class, turn middle america against you, and declare you a criminal. Honestly, I think House conservatives would deport every last one, if they thought they could get away with it. Will Trump go that far? Who the hell knows.

Your wife sounds like a very kind person. I fear her words will fall upon the deaf ears of those who just voted to make her less than human.

This is total fear mongering though imo, don't you agree? Just conjuring up a very scary image and repeating it. That's not much better than how Trump operated during the election. I don't believe most people and not even Trump fit this scary image.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

This is total fear mongering though imo, don't you agree? Just conjuring up a very scary image and repeating it. That's not much better than how Trump operated during the election. I don't believe most people and not even Trump fit this scary image.

Uh, Trump has promised to put Supreme Court justices in place who will outlaw abortion, and he has stated he wants to throw women who get abortions in prison.

One could argue semantics, but I'd say that's cruel and dehumanizing. What would you call it?

 

[fonzob1]

Not to mention those who support abortion.

Here in Canada the general sense is a feeling of sadness and concern for anyone in the US who is worried about being discriminated against for their beliefs or orientation. Having their current rights taken away by outdated values. Sure there's some concern about trade and relations with the states, but we truly hope things won't go in the direction Trump said he would try to take them during the election race.

What did Trump say about the LGBT community during the election that has Canadians so concerned?

Do we have a final count? Haven't checked the news since this morning.

They are still counting in a couple states. She narrowly won the popular vote though.

and he has stated he wants to throw women who get abortions in prison.

He retracted that statement.

 

[MacLeod]

That requires tax revenue from someone that is pledging to cut taxes and increase military spending. Where's the money coming from for the trillion dollars in infrastructure improvements that are needed nationwide?

Nah, he'll just spend the money and declare Chapter 11 for the US.

Only time will tell but I have reservations that the average American will be any signifigantly better off a few years into a Trump presidency.

Hasn't Trump siad he would place a 35% tax on cars build in Mexico coming into the US, surely the opposite would also occur and cars coming into Mexico from the US would be subject to a 35% tax.

Isn't part of the problem is that we as consumers want to pay the lowest possible price and yet as a worker want the highest possible wage. If wages go up, prices can often follow as buisnesses try and recoup some of the costs in paying its workers more.

There is no simply answer to the ever increasing globalisation world in which we live.

 

[cooleddie74]

New Hampshire was just called by CNN for Hillary Clinton by fewer than 2,000 votes. Michigan is now the only state left to call and Trump leads Hillary there by about 12,000.

CNN may end up calling Michigan for Trump later this evening which would give him a grand total of 306 electoral votes to 232 for Hillary.