Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[Marc]

Prior to Mon-El turned turning up on Supergirl and the mentions in here, I'd never heard of him or Daxum so don't what abilities he has in the comics.

So when Winn was rattling of his abiltiies (strength, leaping ability but no x-ray/heat vision or freezing breathe) it struck me as how Superman was first depicted in the earliest of his comics. Was this a deliberate homage to those origins or is that the normal for the character?

 

[Noname Given]

Prior to Mon-El turned turning up on Supergirl and the mentions in here, I'd never heard of him or Daxum so don't what abilities he has in the comics.

So when Winn was rattling of his abiltiies (strength, leaping ability but no x-ray/heat vision or freezing breathe) it struck me as how Superman was first depicted in the earliest of his comics. Was this a deliberate homage to those origins or is that the normal for the character?

This article has an okay writeup on the basic history of the character based on his DC Comics appearances over the years:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/10/19/comic-book-history-mon-el/

 

[Christopher]

So when Winn was rattling of his abiltiies (strength, leaping ability but no x-ray/heat vision or freezing breathe) it struck me as how Superman was first depicted in the earliest of his comics.

Superman's x-ray vision debuted as early as Action Comics #11, just ten months after his debut. Super-breath debuted 9 issues later, though it wasn't yet freezing breath. So if they intend to recapitulate the development of Superman's powers, those might be the next ones to manifest. (Heat vision, by the way, was originally presented as an application of his x-ray vision in 1949 -- concentrating the x-ray beam so intensely that it imparted heat. It became a separate power in 1961.)

 

[JanewayRulz!]

Alex has seemingly been teased three times by Maggie Sawyer's girlfriends in two eps so far... the 1st being the ex girlfriend who is an alien, the 2nd time when Maggie left the DEO's sick bay for her "hot date" and the third time the end of this week's ep when her girlfriend showed up at the crime scene to kiss and escort Maggie away from Alex and their failed arrest of Roulette.

But I wonder... is she overcompensating in front of Alex because of the DEO agent's apparent "close personal relationship" with a certain female Kryptonian?

Recall her catty remark when Supergirl showed up to check out the dead alien in the car trunk? "Oh... I forgot you two were running buddies." And just in case Maggie really DID forget they were running buddies, just look at who answered Alex's call for backup at the fight club. Not her fellow HUMAN DEO agents. And who did Alex focus upon when Maggie warned her they were about to be targeted by Roulette's security, not the human Maggie in high heels and leather. It was the injured woman with the cape in the cage with Draaga.

Maggie doesn't know how these two fit together. I don't even know if she's figured out that they are more than colleagues. If she does suspect something deeper between the two, she definitely wouldn't assume its because they are foster sisters. Like her own dalliance with the alien in the bar, I bet she thinks Alex and Supergirl are current/former or future lovers... and how does a lowly human compete with THAT kind of solar powered competition?

She does it by ignoring Alex's obvious interest and flaunting her own relationships whenever she can.

What I want to see now, just to play mind games with the game playing detective, is to bring Max Lord back into the picture to interact with our seemingly outflanked / oblivious DEO agent.

I also want to see Lena try to put the moves on Kara and have Kara mention she's not interested but she has an awesome sister she'd like to introduce Lena to one day.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Prior to Mon-El turned turning up on Supergirl and the mentions in here, I'd never heard of him or Daxum so don't what abilities he has in the comics.

So when Winn was rattling of his abiltiies (strength, leaping ability but no x-ray/heat vision or freezing breathe) it struck me as how Superman was first depicted in the earliest of his comics. Was this a deliberate homage to those origins or is that the normal for the character?

Daxamites have the exact same powers as Kryptonians. Since Mon--El was created in the 1960's his powers are that of the Silver Age Superman.

Spoiler: Mon-El

I'm guessing Mon-El is the Daxamite prince and not a body guard. His real name will be Lar Gand, like in the comics. Not sure if he'll wind up in the Phantom Zone like his comics counter part. (Hello Legion?)

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

The CW has released the synopsis for the seventh episode of Supergirl, called "The Darkest Place".

Spoiler

IT’S SUPERGIRL VS. CYBORG SUPERMAN — While Guardian (Mehcad Brooks) tries to clear his name after being accused of a murder committed by another vigilante, Supergirl (Melissa Benoist) heads out on a solo mission to rescue Mon-El (Chris Wood) who has been captured by CADMUS. While fighting to free Mon-El, Supergirl comes face to face with Cyborg Superman. Glen Winter directed the episode written by Robert Rovner & Paula Yoo.

Spoiler

Cyborg Superman? Who will play him?? Tyler Hoechlin… or Dean Cain???

 

[dahj]

Missed the episode this Monday, just caught up.

It's interesting how the DEO found the arm spikes guy because he registered through the Alien Amnesty Act, which is exactly what the villain of the previous episode war worried about, that it wasn't going to be just to regulate their legal status, but also used by the government to track them.

 

[tomalak301]

I'm glad we're getting a James episode tonight. You almost forget that he was even in this series this season, kinda like Lucy Lane (Who I really hope returns somehow).

 

[Commander Richard]

2x05...

• That was risqué.
• Winn + Lena?
• Mom? As in Lex's mom too?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

"Crossfire"--

Kara: Making Mon-El her intern was not the best way to acclimate anyone to a foreign culture. Of course, the showrunners want as many opportunities to have them bond for a possible romance (even after catching Mon El with Tessmacher), but the way of achieving that was rather obvious and weak, and that's not getting tint that cheesy "getting ready for work" sequence..

James: Mon-El's "I kind of expected someone more intimidating." Part of the set-up, along with feeling powerless after getting beat up and losing his father's camera, leading to--"All my life, I've been a sidekick."

I wondered if his Guardian was going to be a mash-up of Kirby's Bronze Age version of Jim Harper from Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen (#135, January 1971) --especially with the Cadmus connection--and the Mal Duncan version introduced in the Teen Titans' second series (#44, November 1976). So far, he's leaning in the direction of Mal's reasoning for becoming the Guardian (feeling under powered).

It should not be long before Kara and James suffer a rift in their friend(zone)ship.

Luthor: She's spinning a web. I cannot believe she does not know Kara is Supergirl. After disabling the alien weapons, clearly she's lowering SG's suspicions, and despite her cool greeting for her Cad-mom, I do not see them being at odds about manipulating and/or eliminating aliens.

Sawyer / Alex: Oh, how convenient--Sawyer is out of her relationship.
Winn's "Its not like you're into this Maggie person"
...and Alex with her "What works for you..." and she never liked dating or being intimate.

Gee, the showrunners are sooooooo subtle...like a flying sledgehammer strapped to a case of dynamite.

Winn: Finally--he agrees to contribute to James becoming a hero, but I also see Winn used for Luthor's schemes.

Mon-El: Kara's "Then find another mentor." Interesting. Kara agreed to be his mentor, but he might find another mentor...on another show...

Cadmus: They mean business. Good set up for the organization so far.

Interesting episode, aside from the sledgehammering.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Lena said she was adopted ina previous episode. So I doubt she is Lex's mother too.

 

[DigificWriter]

Brenda Strongs Doctor specifically mentioned that she had TWO children, a son and a daughter, so I'd say that it's a very safe bet that she's "Mrs./ Doctor Luthor".

 

[Christopher]

Good episode. Some impressive action. The flying car rescue was neat, and the close-up shots of Supergirl flying and heat-visioning in the climax were cool. It was a nice change of pace to see James and Winn interacting again. And it was interesting to see Alex beginning to discover her sexuality. I'd expected them to be more casual about it, like having Alex already know she could be into girls.

I'm a little disappointed that the gang with the superweapons was just a random bunch of thugs armed by Cadmus. I was expecting Intergang, with Cadmus taking the place of Darkseid as their backer. But then, Lois & Clark already did a lot with them, although it was a de-sci-fied version of Intergang with no Apokoliptic connections.

I was expecting more back-and-forth in the sequence of Kara and Supergirl at the party at the same time. Kinda like the double-date scene in Superman IV, although maybe that's not a movie they want to remind people of. Anyway, the DC-CW shows are making really heavy use of the Vancouver Central Library lately. It was behind Clark in his introductory Metropolis scene in the premiere, it was behind the "monster" in last week's Flash episode in two sequences that were supposedly in separate locations, and now its interior was the site of the party here.

 

[DigificWriter]

Supergirl continues to be the best of the Arrowverse series, although tonight's episode didn't quite live up to my own personal expectations of it that I'd formed based on previews and sneak peeks. I enjoyed the stuff with Kara trying to help Mon-El/Mike fit in and amalgamate, but wish they hadn't made him quite as much of a slacker as they did because it kind of diluted the joke. It was nice to see Eve Tessmacher again, though, and I did find it funny that she was completely fawning over him, and that they were able to get in the classic "I'm going to pretend I didn't hear/see that" gag with Kara hearing and then walking in on a sex act, which is the second time she's had that happen to her at CatCo (the first being Winn and Siobhan last year).

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm interested to see where James' venture into vigilantism goes, and am interested to see how far the producers push the Batman analogue with him, especially since producer Ali Adler deliberately and expressly referenced that character in an "Inside the Episode" featurette that can be currently viewed on the fansite Supergirl.TV.

I was expecting more from Lena and Kara's interactions in this episode, especially since we saw her interact with Kara in both her civilian and superhero personas, especially since both Melissa and Katie downplayed the undercurrents of romantic tension that had been present in all of their scenes in the previous four episodes. I do like that Lena considers Kara to be her only friend, though, and also like that she's starting to build a friendship, or at least a partnership, with Supergirl as well. It will also be interesting to see what ends up happening between her and her mother, Doctor Luthor, since they clearly have a very strained/antagonistic relationship and Lena is likely unaware of her mother's involvement with Cadmus.

I don't know why, but Alex's existential journey in this episode didn't quite have the impact on me that I think the writers and Chyler wanted it to. Maybe it was the way that Floriana didn't seem to react to Chyler's big confession as strongly as you might think her character would, particularly given their earlier conversation where Maggie made the assumption that Alex was hitting on her (which she kind of was, to be honest, even if Alex herself didn't realize it at the time).

I still enjoyed this episode a great deal, even if some of the things that I was anticipating didn't quite hit me with as much 'punch' as I thought they were going to based on the previews, and am really intrigued by where some of these new storylines are headed, especially James and Winn's new vigilantism partnership and the revelation of the Director of Cadmus/The Doctor being Lena and Lex's mother.

 

[Commander Richard]

Brenda Strongs Doctor specifically mentioned that she had TWO children, a son and a daughter, so I'd say that it's a very safe bet that she's "Mrs./ Doctor Luthor".

So much for my hope to see Billy Zane play Lex.

 

[tomalak301]

I think I realized why I didn't like last week's episode all that much (Even though I thought it was merely decent). It was kind of highlighted tonight, and it was the charm of the show. Tonight felt like season 1 Supergirl in that it felt fun and, well, charming. I mean this episode gave us the Benoist smile/charm, a Alex/Kara scene, more James (Even though I know many people don't think that's a good thing), and it finally got Winn out of the DEO. It was great to see Winn more active tonight than any other episode this season and I don't mean making jokes about what is going on. I mean actually doing something other than sitting at a computer screen.

It's not the best episode of Supergirl, but tonight's episode reminded me why I love this show and why I do think it's the best of the two Arrowverse shows I see at the moment (The other being Flash). Things moved forward in this episode and we got some good character development, and the return of Cadmus. I think the only thing I didn't like was the lack of Hank, but considering the last few weeks have been Hank heavy, tonight was a nice change of pace. Still, I got my Benoist charm back this episode and that makes me happy. Also, her relationship with Mon'El didn't feel cliched tonight like last week because she came to the realization naturally and compared it to her childhood. That was nice to get the merging of backstories.

 

[Christopher]

It was nice to see Eve Tessmacher again, though, and I did find it funny that she was completely fawning over him, and that they were able to get in the classic "I'm going to pretend I didn't hear/see that" gag with Kara hearing and then walking in on a sex act, which is the second time she's had that happen to her at CatCo (the first being Winn and Siobhan last year).

I kinda wish Kara hadn't reacted as badly to the office sex this time. I mean, with Winn and Siobhan, her reaction made sense for a couple of reasons -- one, she didn't like Siobhan and the thought of Siobhan being with a friend of hers wasn't something she wanted to deal with, and two, she didn't want to think of Winn in a non-platonic way. So she had specific reasons for being weirded out there. Having her react just as intensely this time, though, makes her seem like she's just having an immature reaction to sex in general. I mean, okay, she's not a huge fan of Mon-El either, but she barely knows Eve.

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm interested to see where James' venture into vigilantism goes, and am interested to see how far the producers push the Batman analogue with him, especially since producer Ali Adler deliberately and expressly referenced that character in an "Inside the Episode" featurette that can be currently viewed on the fansite Supergirl.TV.

Yeah -- I noticed that, given the "weapon" James was wielding, he literally was "Bat-Man" here.

I don't know why, but Alex's existential journey in this episode didn't quite have the impact on me that I think the writers and Chyler wanted it to. Maybe it was the way that Floriana didn't seem to react to Chyler's big confession as strongly as you might think her character would, particularly given their earlier conversation where Maggie made the assumption that Alex was hitting on her (which she kind of was, to be honest, even if Alex herself didn't realize it at the time).

I think Maggie's reaction was just right. She recognizes that Alex is on the verge of coming out to herself, and she's probably been through that same process earlier in her life and seen other lesbian friends go through the same. So she knows she can't push it -- she has to stand back and let Alex come to the point on her own where she's able to embrace it, or at least actually say the words to another person. What Alex is going through may be triggered by Maggie, but it's not just about Maggie, it's about Alex figuring out who she is. Until Alex reaches that point, it's too early to start a relationship. Not to mention that Maggie's still hurting from her own breakup and may not be ready to fall right into the next woman's arms.

Indeed, we don't even know if Maggie's interested in Alex. That's an unexpected thing about this arc -- that the attraction is primarily coming from Alex's side.

I wonder how Kara will react when Alex tells her. It occurs to me that Kara's own experience "coming out" as a superhero (a phrase they used repeatedly last season) could let her give Alex some guidance about the process of self-discovery.

It was great to see Winn more active tonight than any other episode this season and I don't mean making jokes about what is going on. I mean actually doing something other than sitting at a computer screen.

True -- although I liked what he said about how he takes pride in helping others by providing information. That was an interesting character insight.

I think the only thing I didn't like was the lack of Hank, but considering the last few weeks have been Hank heavy, tonight was a nice change of pace.

Yeah, I wondered where he was this week.

 

[DigificWriter]

To follow up on my earlier comment about Brenda Strong's character, Andrew Kreisberg confirmed that her name is Lillian Luthor.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I have to say, I've enjoyed several of the things in the last two episodes, but I'm already starting to feel like the Cadmus storyline is falling apart like Zoom in Flash s2.

Dr. Luthor iis all very well and good when it comes to chewing the scenery, and her relationship to Lex goes some way towards explaining her hatred for aliens, but every new episode that includes her makes her look more stupid.

Why waste what must be extremely rare weapons on something like this? How are human gangs using alien weapons supposed to have anything to do with alien amnesty in the first place? The status of the immigrants has absolutely no effect on whether those weapons are on Earth or not and real oversight is actually exactly what you need to solve that sort of problem.

And even just rolling your eyes and buying into this dumb plot, why take the risk of giving them to an idiot that she obviously can't control, and then also on top of that take the risk of letting him see her and telling him all about what her goals are (not to mention her name)? Sure, you can always blow his head off before he talks - but that meeting was in a public place, for christs sake. And there's absolutely no sense in taking those risks in the first place, since there is always the possibility of things not going how you planned, and he didn't need to know any of that anyway.

On a different topic, is the DEO still secret or not? I've lost track, but I wondered for moment why Kara didn't just say yes when Carr asked if she at least had an anonymous source. She knows multiple deo agents, in addition to of course being Supergirl, so if he was willing to accept anonymous, why not just say 'an anonymous source in the deo'? And there's the science cop, too, now that I think of it, and that definitely isn't secret.

 

[DigificWriter]

Doctor Luthor and Cadmus' purpose in providing alien technology to bank robbers was to sow fear and tie the presence of said technology directly to the presence of aliens on Earth, which is not dissimilar to things that have been happening in real life when it comes to certain political issues/hot-button topics.