Bryan Fuller Stepping Back From Showrunner Role on ‘Star Trek: Discovery’

[RJDiogenes]

^^ The Federation wasn't always so perfect as people seem to think. Remember all those ambassadors and admirals and commodores who caused all kinds of grief? Plus, episodes like "Errand of Mercy," where the Organians had to send their message of peace to both the Klingons and the Federation. Mankind had improved a lot since the 20th century, but human nature still had to be dealt with.

 

[a thousand-yard stare]

I think there is a big difference with trekkers,trekkies and generation trek...I love ds9, hated first 2 seasons of tng, and Voyager was supposedly was to empower us women but I hated the writing and how they made capt J a joke with feelings.

As a younger gen trekster I expect real problems not the federation is perfect and makes everything and everyone better. Ds9 wasn't popular with trekkers and Trekkies because they want the fantasy of everything being perfect. I hope discovery will give older gen what they need but push plots into real problems for the real world for us. The new treksters are older and will be watching closely.

I would also like to say I am worried CBS doesn't believe in SD pushing it back "for good wife series" and charging for subscription service to watch. How will it get popular if most people watch TV through cable. Will they say there is no ratings because of the media format and cancel it never giving new gen kids in families that can only afford normal tv the chance to learn, love, and maybe become treksters or treks?

 

[a thousand-yard stare]

I don't think Disco-Trek has any problems for the moment as NETFLIX is paying for the first two seasons. If NETFIX thinks it has legs then they will stump up more cash. As far as I can see CBS isn't particularly interested in 'Star Trek', just the money...

 

[jamestyler]

"Just about the money" is ridiculous anti-popularist fan drivel.

Of course money is part of it. They're a business who needs to make money. The actors are the same. Do you think Patrick Stewart came on board for his love of Trek? Actors need paid, people need to profit, this has gone on since the dawn of film.

Money is the reason we got TNG, movies, all that followed and more. It does not delete or negate any interest a studio, writer or anyone else has in a show nor does it eliminate or override the writers, studios and all involved's interest, drive or passion in a project.

Both interest and money are needed to survive and one cannot override the other.

 

[cooleddie74]

^^ The Federation wasn't always so perfect as people seem to think. Remember all those ambassadors and admirals and commodores who caused all kinds of grief? Plus, episodes like "Errand of Mercy," where the Organians had to send their message of peace to both the Klingons and the Federation. Mankind had improved a lot since the 20th century, but human nature still had to be dealt with.

And even as late as the 24th century humans were still being taught lessons about tolerance, open-mindedness and humility as seen in DS9 when the Founders stir trouble on Earth by almost causing Starfleet and the Federation to feed on their own. The coup plot led by Admiral Leyton to overthrow the Jaresh-Inyo government and declare martial law on Earth was proof that even the more "enlightened" humanity of the Picard, Sisko and Janeway era wasn't all that much less jittery or prejudiced than it was in Kirk's or Archer's time.

 

[a thousand-yard stare]

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...and where is CBS'..?

They are not putting money into this. They have shown no interest in 'Trek' for a decade.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Huh? Is the show being made on spec?

 

[jamestyler]

They are not putting money into this. They have shown no interest in 'Trek' for a decade.

....Alec?

 

[JoeP]

....Alec?

 

[cooleddie74]

I suddenly want some coffee packaged in a trademark-violating bag.

 

[donners22]

They are not putting money into this. They have shown no interest in 'Trek' for a decade.

Actually, the reported budget makes it one of the most expensive shows around.

Given the sharply declining ratings and poor box office of the last few Prime installments, one can hardly blame them for waiting a while before taking a punt on Trek again.

 

[eyeresist]

I agree on the Ferengi part and VOY, but I'll take DS9 romance over Sub Rosa any day

I prefer the Ferengi to almost any romance story.

 

[fireproof78]

Actually, the reported budget makes it one of the most expensive shows around.
Given the sharply declining ratings and poor box office of the last few Prime installments, one can hardly blame them for waiting a while before taking a punt on Trek again.

It's actually not really happening. Fuller was just funneling it in to his own project

I prefer the Ferengi to almost any romance story.

Depends on the romance. Bashier and Ezri Dax? Yep.

 

[donners22]

Bashier and Ezri Dax? Yep.

Ah, the romance which brought us this immortal line:

You know, I've never been into battle with someone I've slept with before.

 

[RJDiogenes]

And even as late as the 24th century humans were still being taught lessons about tolerance, open-mindedness and humility as seen in DS9 when the Founders stir trouble on Earth by almost causing Starfleet and the Federation to feed on their own. The coup plot led by Admiral Leyton to overthrow the Jaresh-Inyo government and declare martial law on Earth was proof that even the more "enlightened" humanity of the Picard, Sisko and Janeway era wasn't all that much less jittery or prejudiced than it was in Kirk's or Archer's time.

And there was that classic episode, "The Drumhead," on TNG. Societies can be more or less civilized at any given time, but human nature doesn't change.

 

[BillJ]

Ds9 wasn't popular with trekkers and Trekkies because they want the fantasy of everything being perfect.

Which is a gross oversimplification. For me personally, I was simply bored with Deep Space Nine. Thought some of the characters were great, but overall it becomes a dull slog around seasons five and six. The original Star Trek is my favorite, and there is no fantasy that everything is perfect.

 

[fireproof78]

Which is a gross oversimplification. For me personally, I was simply bored with Deep Space Nine. Thought some of the characters were great, but overall it becomes a dull slog around seasons five and six. The original Star Trek is my favorite, and there is no fantasy that everything is perfect.

I like the idea of a better society that still has its rough edges. DS9 did that for me, with the titular location being akin to a fort on the frontier.

It wasn't always the best, but I enjoyed it almost as much as TOS

And I agree-perfection has nothing to do with it. Perfetion is Season 1 TNG spouting off how much more "evolved" they are in comparison to those nasty humans from the past, especially compared to a stock broker, a soccer mom and a country music singer.

 

[BillJ]

I wonder how much the "new" Discovery will resemble Fuller's Discovery? Considering the lack of news, I wonder if Fuller leaving didn't have more to do with creative differences between him and CBS?

 

[jamestyler]

There's a fair chance it's a possibility considering his history, but at the same time - the hint of him wanting another extension also fits with his perfectionist reputation. I doubt it'd be too much different from the orignial plan - not that we'd ever know - considering who's taking point now.

 

[cylkoth]

I wonder how much the "new" Discovery will resemble Fuller's Discovery? Considering the lack of news, I wonder if Fuller leaving didn't have more to do with creative differences between him and CBS?

Fuller is the co boss of the folks who will be running the show. They work for him and Kurtzman. His influence on stories will not evaporate.

Let's not borrow trouble. I know it's hard with no details-no nothing being put out. C'mon, tease us with something, sheesh. But there's little reason to drive ourselves batty worrying over Fuller handing the reigns over to writers he co hired.

If Greg Berlanti can ride herd over 4 DC shows as well as 2 non comic based others-each with their own show runners, and still have the Berlanti stamp of approval, this really shouldn't be a problem for Discovery.