Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2
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Honestly, the notion that aliens are already here living amongst us is something that the show's owned since the beginning and that they actually set up last season with both "Strange Visitor from Another Planet" and the episode that I compared "Welcome to Earth" to in my review, "Truth, Justice, and the American Way", so what we got here is just another evolution of that idea.
It also brought to mind Willy's Bar from Buffy.
Sure, and all of that could be true, until he learns she's a White Martian.
That surprised me too, that was a pretty significant moment for them to just jump over.
That confused me too.
I liked this episode a lot overall.
The racism stuff was pretty obvious, but I still enjoyed it.
Maggie was a nice addition to the cast, and she did have some nice chemistry with Alex.
The Kara and Lena scenes were good, I really like the relationship they're building between them.
The alien bar was pretty cool, I hope it becomes a regular hangout/place to get info.
President Marsden was an interesting character, but I have agree that Lynda Carter's performance wasn't great. I'm really not sure what to make of the big she's alien twist, that does seem to kind of undermine her whole alien amnesty thing.
The Miss Martian reveal at the end was a cool moment.
I hope they address Mon-El's name. I know it's not impossible for unrelated people from different places to have similar names, but it's still a hell of a coincidence.
I just looked him up on Wikipedia and in one of the first stories he landed on Earth with no memory and was given the name Mon-El by Superboy. I'm kind of surprised they didn't go for something similar here.
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Episode 3 was pretty good. The MiB type world, while not original at this point, is interesting (although I think that the president being a secret alien would actually justify some anti-alien ideas at this point, its basically an alien pretending to be human to manipulate people/the government). It was great to see Snapper brought down to size. I'm calling BS on his insulting of Kara. If reporters were completely objective, they'd just print the press releases unaltered. Being for or againt the idea of Luthor's device (which is a really screwed up invention if you think about it, at the very least it should be an exclusively law enforcement tool) seems like something you'd expect to see in an article. Otherwise, why read the article over a generic press release? Unless the article is investigating the device, but it isn't. It was just a fluff interview with Luthor, and didn't say anything a press release wouldn't have.
I think the flame alien woman had a point. Obviously she was a bad guy for trying to kill people, but the amnesty act does seem like a good way of identifying all the aliens and keeping track of them. I don't think that is the president's intention, but it definitely reminds me of "mutant registration" from the X-men comics/movies.
I don't really like Daxamite's and kryptonians being angry neighbor planets, but its not a huge deal. It was interesting to see that even Kara has an ugly side of her personality, even if she seems to be growing out of it by the end of the episode. Seeing Miss Martian was cool, I don't mind that she's not a white martian anymore and it will be interesting to see what they do with her. Overall this was a solid episode, with Carr being the only big annoyance but Jimmy showing him whose boss made it work.
I think the flame alien woman had a point. Obviously she was a bad guy for trying to kill people, but the amnesty act does seem like a good way of identifying all the aliens and keeping track of them. I don't think that is the president's intention, but it definitely reminds me of "mutant registration" from the X-men comics/movies.
I don't really like Daxamite's and kryptonians being angry neighbor planets, but its not a huge deal. It was interesting to see that even Kara has an ugly side of her personality, even if she seems to be growing out of it by the end of the episode. Seeing Miss Martian was cool, I don't mind that she's not a white martian anymore and it will be interesting to see what they do with her. Overall this was a solid episode, with Carr being the only big annoyance but Jimmy showing him whose boss made it work.
That's what they say. Again, producers don't necessarily reveal all their plans in advance. If J'onn thinks he's bonding with a fellow survivor and later finds out that she was misleading him, that doesn't contradict anything Kreisberg said. It just means he didn't spell out the whole season-long story arc in advance, because why would he?
I mean, on Young Justice, we didn't learn that M'gann was a White Martian until episode 21, and her teammates didn't find out until episode 25, a week before the first-season finale.
Also, in the YJ version, M'gann was a Green-White hybrid, at least according to showrunner Greg Weisman's behind-the-scenes notes. If this show went that route, then she could legitimately share his heritage as a Green Martian, while still being more than she currently claims.
Yes, but I'd assumed they were all Ft. Rozz escapees, because that seemed to be what the show was assuming. Now we're told there are alien immigrants and refugees on Earth as well, unrelated to that. So it's natural to be curious about why so many aliens came to Earth. Especially since there don't seem to be aliens on Earth-1. If it were just Ft. Rozz, then that single difference in the two universes' histories would explain why one has aliens and the other doesn't -- perhaps Krypton never exploded in Earth-1's reality, or hasn't done so yet. But if a lot of different aliens come to Earth for different reasons, it's harder to understand why they haven't done the same in Earth-1's reality. I suppose some of them could be hiding out on Earth-1, but you'd think at least a few of them would've become superheroes or supervillains.
Hmm. Borrowing an idea from Asimov's later works, I wonder if maybe the Time Masters manipulated history to keep aliens off of Earth-1.
The show never actually says that all these alien refugees DIDN'T come from Fort Rozz, but even if they got to Earth by other means, it still doesn't really contradict anything we'd previously seen; it's just adding new layers to what we knew or thought that we knew.
Also, there may be similarities between the different Earths of the Arrow-Derived Multiverse, but there are also significant differences, so aliens being present on "Earth-S"/"Earth-CBS" and absent on Earth-1 really isn't all that much different, conceptually, from Earth-2 having Atlantis and Gorilla City and having fought wars that Earth-1 never fought.
Also, there may be similarities between the different Earths of the Arrow-Derived Multiverse, but there are also significant differences, so aliens being present on "Earth-S"/"Earth-CBS" and absent on Earth-1 really isn't all that much different, conceptually, from Earth-2 having Atlantis and Gorilla City and having fought wars that Earth-1 never fought.
I watched the episode again: J'onn was standing next to Alex when she told Supergirl that she'd seen the flamethrowing alien before. Supergirl asked "Where?" and we cut to Alex back at the bar, asking for information about the alien. So in between those scenes, Alex must've told Supergirl and J'onn about the bar.
In the bar, Maggie said to Alex that many aliens on Earth were hardworking immigrants or refugees. An escaped Ft. Rozz prisoner could be described as a refugee, but "immigrant" implies someone who came to Earth by choice. And since Maggie is a cop, I doubt she'd be so willing to gloss over it if everyone in that bar was an escaped convict. By the same token, Alex and J'onn wouldn't have been so sanguine about just letting them go about their business.
I'm not saying it contradicts anything. I'm saying I want to know more about their backstory. Asking a question is not automatically a criticism -- it's an expression of interest in the answers.
Except it's very different, because it's not just about the history of Earth, it's about the histories of thousands of other planets. Changing Earth's history wouldn't change all those other, independent histories at the same time. Even if a few of them were changed, others would still be more or less the same and lead to the same outcome of aliens migrating to Earth. So there'd have to be something massively different on a level that affects the entire galaxy, which is an exponentially more complicated prospect than just changing the history of one planet.
Most if not all aliens so far being from Fort Rozz would at least explain why they mostly seem to be concentrated around National City.
Though some of them will no doubt have gone elsewhere it kinda makes sense for them to stick around close to each other.
Though some of them will no doubt have gone elsewhere it kinda makes sense for them to stick around close to each other.
Not entirely, because Ft. Rozz crashed in the Nevada desert somewhere. Given that National City is basically that world's equivalent of Los Angeles, presumably Las Vegas would be closer to the crash site, and maybe other cities like Reno or Sacramento or something.
Would explain a few things about Vegas, too, then. 
I think the reason is Superman. In his years active before Kara, i would bet he's been off world more than once. He did attract the attention of Maxima who came to make him her mate. His story / legend circulated that when his world died he found a safe haven on Earth. And others, seeking their own safe haven for whatever resaon, began to gravitate here.
Earth-1 doesn't have a Superman, so there was no story or legend to draw off-worlders..
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It's possible that is a shapeshifter impersonating the actual President. Either way I am not a fan of her having a secret. Does every one of these series have to have a character that is hiding something from the others? Which is teased to us in audience but we do not know the details. I was happy Hank really being the Martian Manhunter was revealed to Alex and later Kara so quickly.
I like your Superman idea Vendikarr, he probably is the most unique things in he history of Earth-S.
IGN has presented an interesting theory about who the President really is. I'm not really sure what to make of it at this point.
IGN has presented an interesting theory about who the President really is. I'm not really sure what to make of it at this point.
I'm not buying the "Olivia Marsdin is Cyborg Superman" notion, because it's based on a whole lot of conjectural nonsense.
Given what's been set up, it's far more likely that, if we get a Cyborg Superman on this show, it's going to be Jeremiah Danvers.
I forgot exactly which site it was on, but one of the recaps I read for "Welcome to Earth" suggested that President Marsdin could be an Ungaran (Abin and Amon Sur's race) because of the fact that her face turned pink briefly when she shifted out of her human guise.
Given what's been set up, it's far more likely that, if we get a Cyborg Superman on this show, it's going to be Jeremiah Danvers.
I forgot exactly which site it was on, but one of the recaps I read for "Welcome to Earth" suggested that President Marsdin could be an Ungaran (Abin and Amon Sur's race) because of the fact that her face turned pink briefly when she shifted out of her human guise.
Hmm, that could be, but it would mean there have only been aliens on Earth (other than J'onn and Clark) for less than 15 years -- maybe a bit longer, if Superman was ever Superboy in this universe.
Maybe the difference is Krypton. In this reality, Krypton was a world of scientists and explorers, charting and visiting many alien worlds (which raises the question of why all its people were on Krypton at the time of its destruction, but that's a matter for another time). So maybe they discovered Earth and other races in the galactic community learned about it through them. If Krypton doesn't exist or is significantly different in Earth-1's universe, then maybe most aliens in that reality don't know that Earth is an inhabited world.
They pulled the exact same reveal shot of Marsdin as they did of J'onn back in season one, did they? Glowing eyes and camera angle and all.
I figured Kara just threw off the calibration of the thing.
So it gave a false negativ on her being a alien.
Also, how did it get a reading on Kara anyway?
I admit I didn't fully get how it was supposed to work, but did Lena say it took a skin sample to analyze?
How do you take a Kryptonian skin sample?
So it gave a false negativ on her being a alien.
Also, how did it get a reading on Kara anyway?
I admit I didn't fully get how it was supposed to work, but did Lena say it took a skin sample to analyze?
How do you take a Kryptonian skin sample?
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I was under the impression she tried to fry it completely, but it seemed like the heat beam just bounced off it.
Since Kara doesn't know how it works it's unlikely she would know how to affect it so precisely to still work, but alter readings.
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