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According to some/many people (not me BTW) TAS isn't canon.
Including Gene Roddenberry, and Paramount. GR requested it be done, and Paramount made it policy I don't have a problem with it informing later works. My larger point is that non-canon sources should be viewed as the only interpretation of certain subjects.
 
Well, what did that Roddenberry guy know about Star Trek, anyhow. ;)

The writers and art department on Star Trek: Enterprise did finally work some elements of TAS into a couple of the episodes set on Vulcan, finally "canonizing" those bits.
 
The writers and art department on Star Trek: Enterprise did finally work some elements of TAS into a couple of the episodes set on Vulcan, finally "canonizing" those bits.

I thought DS9 had worked in a few bits as well.
 
Because they keep copying it. It's not like there's any independent thought or research. It just laziness. It's in the Encylopedia so MA copies the idea. Then startrek.com does the same.

Or maybe the Encyclopedia accurately represents what the people in charge think?

I thought DS9 had worked in a few bits as well.

Kor's ship from "The Time Trap" (TAS) was referred to in "One More Unto the Breach" (DS9).
 
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Or maybe the Encyclopedia accurately represents what the people in charge think?
Nope. Okuda clearly states, in the Encyclopedia, that it was a conjectural design created by Greg Jein. Greg was not a person in charge. It fact I'd wager he did it on his own time as a fan.
 
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Hell, there's nothing to say
Nope. Okuda clearly states, in the Encyclopedia, that it was a conjectural design created by Greg Jein. Greg was not a person in charge. It fact I'd wager he did it on his own time as a fan.
Even if it did, Star Trek is being run by a completely different set of people (well, two completely different sets between TV and movies) than it was in the 90's. They undoubtedly will see the larger Trekverse a little differently.
 
Nope. Okuda clearly states, in the Encyclopedia, that it was a conjectural design created by Greg Jein. Greg was not a person in charge. It fact I'd wager he did it on his own time as a fan.

The point I'm making is that the licensed material has been extremely consistent on advocating this theory. A lot of other theories aren't treated so consistently, with tie-ins coming up with different answers. While not canon, conjecture that is used consistently in the franhcise has almost always been used as the canon version when the need for it has arisen (e.g. Constitution class).
 
The point I'm making is that the licensed material has been extremely consistent on advocating this theory. A lot of other theories aren't treated so consistently, with tie-ins coming up with different answers. While not canon, conjecture that is used consistently in the franhcise has almost always been used as the canon version when the need for it has arisen (e.g. Constitution class).
IIRC Constitution Class was something from the production team and not from licensed material. I think as more fans come into the franchise in a professional capacity a lot of conjecture is brought into canon. Which isn't always a bad thing. With the Daedalus I think its basically the same group of people "promoting" the idea.
 
IIRC Constitution Class was something from the production team and not from licensed material. I think as more fans come into the franchise in a professional capacity a lot of conjecture is brought into canon. Which isn't always a bad thing. With the Daedalus I think its basically the same group of people "promoting" the idea.

The Encyclopedia and Chronology were written by people who worked on the TV shows back in the day.
 
IIRC Constitution Class was something from the production team and not from licensed material. I think as more fans come into the franchise in a professional capacity a lot of conjecture is brought into canon. Which isn't always a bad thing. With the Daedalus I think its basically the same group of people "promoting" the idea.
It becomes repetitious enough then there is general acceptance. I recall a story that circulated around about Star Wars lore and the midichlorians being something the Jedi just "used to tell people. Well, it turns out that line is actually in a friend of mine's fan film and he gets the biggest kick out of people quoting it as if it was from a book or a (pre-Disney) canon source.

So, yeah, repetition isn't always accurate.
 
The Encyclopedia and Chronology were written by people who worked on the TV shows back in the day.
For me back in the day is TOS. The Okudas, Sternbach and Jein "came up" through fandom joining the art department when TNG was on th air. An old buddy of mine did too and joined the art department during TNG via his contact with Mike Okuda at cons. By the time they put together the Encyclopedia and Chronology, yeah they were seasoned pros. But still slipped in some ideas from their fandom days like the Daedalus model.
 
It becomes repetitious enough then there is general acceptance. I recall a story that circulated around about Star Wars lore and the midichlorians being something the Jedi just "used to tell people. Well, it turns out that line is actually in a friend of mine's fan film and he gets the biggest kick out of people quoting it as if it was from a book or a (pre-Disney) canon source.

So, yeah, repetition isn't always accurate.


Was that one of the "Pink One" movies?
 
Was there an early point where "Constellation Class" was substituted for "Constitution Class" back in the day? Either my elementary school aged brain in the late 80s misremembered something, or one of the 70s/80s reference books I read at some formative age got it wrong. Can someone correct my memories? :D
 
Was there an early point where "Constellation Class" was substituted for "Constitution Class" back in the day? Either my elementary school aged brain in the late 80s misremembered something, or one of the 70s/80s reference books I read at some formative age got it wrong. Can someone correct my memories? :D

Yeah, it was for "The Battle" (TNG); the original intent was that the Stargazer would be a TOS movie Constitution-class ship, but a new model was created down the line and the class name was changed in post-production. Not sure of the reason why.
 
Was there an early point where "Constellation Class" was substituted for "Constitution Class" back in the day? Either my elementary school aged brain in the late 80s misremembered something, or one of the 70s/80s reference books I read at some formative age got it wrong. Can someone correct my memories? :D
IIRC, the Stargazer was supposed to be a Constitution but they switched it to Constellation for some reason. That's the only one I know about the two ships.
 
They didn't want to use an old model/design, particularly since the Constitution class is so closely associated with Kirk. Realizing that they had a design they could use in the form of a model in Picard's ready room, they made a proper filming model of it and changed LeVar's dialogue. Constellation was chosen because it closely matched the mouth movements for Constitution. Plus, that name was obviously used for a Constitution class in TOS and one of the United States' original six frigates. Thus, Picard's model was elevated from nameless set dressing to a fully realized starship class.
 
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