I guess that depends on how you define fine, fine to me means ok, satisfactory, which VOY was. But what we are dealing with here is personal tastes which can be highly subjective
Shows that should have been better
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I guess that depends on how you define fine, fine to me means ok, satisfactory, which VOY was. But what we are dealing with here is personal tastes which can be highly subjective
I'm gonna pop back in here to say that I think they could've executed Heroes better. The episodes I've seen were OK, but they didn't seem to have much through-structure.
I disliked all of those shows - Merlin particularly. They managed to make Primeval look watchable !
Torchwood ? Liked seasons 1 to 3 well enough, 3 especially. Four was poor. I didn't dislike the later seasons of Heroes as much as everyone else seems to.
Anyhow -
Blake's 7 : looked bad at the time, looks dreadful now.
Space 1999 : looked great but was ridiculous.
See for me Voyager was fun. It was good in season 1, 2, and 3 but I felt after that it just kept ambling along and then 7 years later the final season and I was happy to see it end. It had a few good moments and good episodes but for me largely it feels forgettable.
Speaking of which Unforgettable could have been a good show instead it was kinda lame.
I also love the show Motive but it's one of those shows that is bloody hard to find, and season 1 and 2 have been made into a box set but season 3, well I am still waiting in the hope that I find a box set of that.
Same for shows like Andromeda which started good and then slid a bit downhill towards the end. But that's a show I like more then Voyager.
I wish Seven Days had been given one more season to wrap things up and same for Defiance. That had 3 full seasons and according to the show's creator Kevin Murphy the proposed 4th season would have tied everything up. Pity that it was an OK show.
Yeah I liked that show. Whatever happened to it?
Did he ever find out why or how he was immortal, and did they make a satisfactory ending to his story?
Forever Knight was another show that could have been amazing.
Forever has no ending. My mom liked that show, I saw 2-3 episodes and enjoyed it because of the son. It's one of those shows that ABC is like "Why the fuck did we cancel that?". They had a few like that back then, Body of Proof was a great example. ABC wanted to bring it back a second time and the lead actress went "No, I'm done, fuck you TV networks". Okay the ending to that might not be an exact quote.
Voyager and Enterprise both for me. While each have good stuff (a fair amount of Voyager, when it tries, and mostly the 4th season of Enterprise), they both ignored their premise and fell back on standard trek technobable, standard story approaches, and for Voyager not enough character continuity (e.g. Tuvok and Neelix never mention being joined as Tuvix, ever). Year of Hell is held as a great episode because it showed what Voyager should have been (despite the reset button). Battlestar was Ron Moore's answer to the failings of Voyager, and it showed what Voyager could have been (before it too went off the rails in the later seasons, in my opinion). Enterprise season 4 was obviously what the show should have been all along; that along with the blu ray special features revelation that originally season 1 would have been set on earth as they constructed the ship and built the whole concept of a Starfleet ship of exploration from the ground up. Too bad we only got one glimpse of that in First Flight.
Now for my own addition: Alias. Seasons 1 and 2 are amazing. When they showed that Rambaldi was more than just sketches and thoughts of a genius (e.g. the nearly immortal clockmaker blew my mind) it elevated the whole show (much like Fringe's introduction of the alternate universe or Person of Interest's segue into the Machine War). Halfway through season 2 when Alias changed its whole premise getting rid of the double life, SD6, etc., it was again, revelatory: who does that? where are they going next? But like many other shows (looking at you JJ again with Lost, or the X-Files, or Battlestar) the show runners didn't have a clear endgame and just meandered, extending the plots ("no this is Rambaldi's true plan, no wait, this is" - "Slone's on our side, no wait he isn't, but Stark is, but now he isn't") and introducing an unending parade of new relatives for Syd. I wish this was an alternate universe where seasons 1-2 are the same, but the rest of the show was carried out with an actual plan in mind.
Now for my own addition: Alias. Seasons 1 and 2 are amazing. When they showed that Rambaldi was more than just sketches and thoughts of a genius (e.g. the nearly immortal clockmaker blew my mind) it elevated the whole show (much like Fringe's introduction of the alternate universe or Person of Interest's segue into the Machine War). Halfway through season 2 when Alias changed its whole premise getting rid of the double life, SD6, etc., it was again, revelatory: who does that? where are they going next? But like many other shows (looking at you JJ again with Lost, or the X-Files, or Battlestar) the show runners didn't have a clear endgame and just meandered, extending the plots ("no this is Rambaldi's true plan, no wait, this is" - "Slone's on our side, no wait he isn't, but Stark is, but now he isn't") and introducing an unending parade of new relatives for Syd. I wish this was an alternate universe where seasons 1-2 are the same, but the rest of the show was carried out with an actual plan in mind.
You have to love that 16th Century microwave device. Rambaldi sure was a clever guy.
Black mirror -
I have just watched the first two seasons (7 episodes) since it will come up with a third season. It was described as a kind of new Twilight Zone with satirical comments on modern technology but I think it fails in most of the episodes.
You can watch it if there's nothing better on but the show has some major problems - 1. some episodes are too unrealistic and very unconvincing at times, which undermines the satire. 2. the message is often too obvious and 3. if you know scifi you've all seen it before and most of the times in a much better way.
I have just watched the first two seasons (7 episodes) since it will come up with a third season. It was described as a kind of new Twilight Zone with satirical comments on modern technology but I think it fails in most of the episodes.
You can watch it if there's nothing better on but the show has some major problems - 1. some episodes are too unrealistic and very unconvincing at times, which undermines the satire. 2. the message is often too obvious and 3. if you know scifi you've all seen it before and most of the times in a much better way.
Oh I remember one I used to like called The Chronicle about this newspaper that investigates strange goings on, but the show fell off the rails with their attempt at commentary on cancer and mobile phones. They had a human sized cancer as the villain, the latter being only one episode near the end of their 1 season run..... At the start it was a show that could have gone somewhere.
I'm sure, but they actually just gave our still primitive and infighting species the ability to beam all our enemies into space, or replicate infinite nukes, or a thousand other ways to kill ourselves with their knowledge. I'd happily overlook the point for the story's sake if SG1 hasn't made a repeated and sledgehammer heavy point about exactly that so many times before! The finale was an opportunity, imho, to follow up on The Fifth Race, and end with some 'meaning of life stuff' which was missed.
I completely agree, and Peacekeeper Wars continued the positive points of season 4. In fact, it really showed how good a fifth and sixth season of the show could have been. But it took far, far too long to find itself. Longer than I remembered when I shelled out on the DVDs!
Yeah I liked Vala a lot more on re watching. She brought something new to a season that was choking on tropes and tired plot devices (find the ancient majigger to defeat the evil false gods). She could never have worked in the early seasons when there was some resemblance to a real military operation, but she was perfect for the more relaxed later seasons. The other positive about Vala was we finally had an alien regular on this franchise who wasn't a noble warrior.
I liked that Vala was a thief and not a warrior.... She was cool.
Pity about Ardra being an evil, evil person. She was kind of cool.
Pity about Ardra being an evil, evil person. She was kind of cool.
Vala also had more character growth in the 28(?) episodes she was in than all the other characters combined. Part of that is the wonderful actor, but still. They took a character that when they said she would be joining I thought would be insanely lame and really made her work in the team. It almost made me wish we got an 11th season.
(I wish we got an 11th season of SG-1 so Sam wouldn't have been shoved to Atlantis for no reason but to piss of everyone, including Amanda Tapping.)
(I wish we got an 11th season of SG-1 so Sam wouldn't have been shoved to Atlantis for no reason but to piss of everyone, including Amanda Tapping.)
Millions would beg to disagree.
Millions would also beg to agree.
Actually while liking BSG I prefer to think of those humans as an offshoot of humans everywhere in the universe if our species evolved on other planets besides Earth. Because they are one messed up bunch of mofos and I'd hate to think our Earth was descended from them.
And they, along with you, are in the minority.
