Spoilers Supergirl - Season 2

[Noname Given]

It's true that the bar would be higher for a Superman TV series, and from what I've seen of Berlanti's shows so far I don't know that these writers and producers would be quite up to it. Having him pop in for three or four sweeps episodes every year on Supergirl is probably about right.

IDK - for me this TV take on Superman (writing and character wise) was better than the WB take on last two feature films with the character. (And I'M NOT knocking Henry Cavill's 'look' as the character OR his performance and both are/were excellent; it's the way the character is written in the last two WB feature films I have issues with.) - But that's me.

Those have to be about the dumbest two bank robbers who have ever lived. I mean isn't Superman extremely well established by this point? Like for at least a decade? You'd think every crook on the planet knows when one those two show up you may as well just surrender. I mean clearly they're not supposed to be bright, but that's a level of stupid that makes me wonder how they managed to get inside the bank without repeatedly banging their faces against the plate glass.

Also am I the only one noticing they just took off without restraining either criminal and leaving two (admittedly empty) guns lying around where anyone can pick them up?

^^^
Good point on the one who went up against Superman - but Supergirl pretty much decked her's unconscious with one punch, so I suppose the rational is the cops will be on site almost immediately. Still, I kind of like the fact they're both so caught up in the moment, neither really pays attention to the crooks post encounter.

 

[Christopher]

This is quite a snarky Superman.

I wonder why people even try shooting at Superman or Supergirl in the first place. I mean, if they were still largely unknown, it would make sense, but Superman's been world-famous for over a dozen years and Supergirl for a year now. So, really, is there a single bank robber who wouldn't already know that shooting at either of them would be a waste of bullets? (It's like that line in Luke Cage. "I guess you haven't heard about me.")

I'm surprised that J'onn is still going by "Hank." Sure, he's still wearing the face, but everyone knows who he really is now.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Behind the scenes photo from the crossover:

Who's the dude on the left in the mask?

That's Citizen Steel! And the amazing thing is his costume doesn't suck!! It even somewhat resembles his comic book costume!!!

Which one? There are two, an older and a younger.

Isn't the older one Commander Steel?

Matthew MacCaull is Henry "Hank" Heywood Sr. AKA WW2's Commander Steel. Nick Zano portrays his grandson Nathaniel "Nate" Heywood AKA Citizen Steel.

Those have to be about the dumbest two bank robbers who have ever lived. I mean isn't Superman extremely well established by this point? Like for at least a decade? You'd think every crook on the planet knows when one those two show up you may as well just surrender. I mean clearly they're not supposed to be bright, but that's a level of stupid that makes me wonder how they managed to get inside the bank without repeatedly banging their faces against the plate glass.

Just google stupid robbers or dumb criminals and have fun. You won't believe the amount of stupidity.

IDK - for me this TV take on Superman (writing and character wise) was better than WB take on last two feature film takes on the character. (And I'M NOT knocking Henry Cavill's 'look' as the character OR his performance and both are/were excellent; it's the way the character is written in the last two WB feature films I have issues with.) - But that's me.

Agreed 100%. There's nothing wrong with Henry Cavill's appearance, performance or costume. That's why he needs a second Man Of Steel movie without Zack Snyder's and David S. Goyer's involvement. Done right has the potential to be the definitive Superman. Until then I'll take Tyler Hoechlin's version.

 

[Christopher]

Just google stupid robbers or dumb criminals and have fun. You won't believe the amount of stupidity.

"Some of the stupidest criminals in the world are working right here in America. I've always been very proud of that." -- Jed Bartlet, The West Wing

 

[davejames]

Behind the scenes photo from the crossover:

Maybe it's just the fact I'm a big fan of the show and character, but I really hope in this crossover that the writers make clear just how much more powerful Supergirl really is, and let her stand out in the group just as much as a Superman would. And that she's not portrayed as just another person in a superhero costume with a different collection of powers, who's no stronger in battle than a Firestorm or Flash. Or even Palmer with his Atom suit.

I admit the show has been a bit inconsistent with how powerful she is (and has her getting tossed around in battle as much as everyone else), but regardless, she is still freakin Kryptonian. And someone we've seen do some pretty impressive things so far.

 

[sojourner]

To be fair, in the comics at least, Firestorm is a pretty "A" level powerhouse himself.

 

[Nerys Myk]

To be fair, in the comics at least, Firestorm is a pretty "A" level powerhouse himself.

What's the chemical formula for Kryptonite?

 

[Christopher]

Maybe it's just the fact I'm a big fan of the show and character, but I really hope in this crossover that the writers make clear just how much more powerful Supergirl really is, and let her stand out in the group just as much as a Superman would. And that she's not portrayed as just another person in a superhero costume with a different collection of powers, who's no stronger in battle than a Firestorm or Flash. Or even Palmer with his Atom suit.

Well, if the Flash crosses universes to ask for her help, then that suggests she's considered pretty powerful. Although I'm just guessing there; it could be that she crosses over by accident or something.

I just read this article about the Dominators in the comics, and based on the producers' statements about the crossover being "very faithful" to the Invasion! event, I have a speculation:

Spoiler: Speculation (I already said that)

In the comics, the Dominators used a "gene bomb" that shut down metahuman powers, and only nonhumans or non-powered heroes using tech or magic were able to function as normal. If that happens here, then the only ones with active superpowers other than Supergirl would be the Atom, Vixen, Ragman, and maybe Citizen Steel (depending on the source of his powers). The most powerful metahumans -- Flash and Firestorm -- would be out of action, so that would leave Supergirl with no real competition for the top spot. (Although Atom can be pretty powerful if he goes giant again.)

 

[Guy Gardener]

What's the chemical formula for Kryptonite?

I'm pretty sure there's a spoonfull of tar in there.

 

[Mr Light]

Black tar heroin?

 

[Commander Richard]

Supergirl is a spinoff of a Superman series that never existed. I don't remember who said that but it works. If they ever did want to do a Superman show with Hoechlin, either we will have already missed a decade's worth of adventures or they'd have to set the show earlier.

Speaking of Hoechlin, I watched 2x01 again and I like his version of Superman a little more. I liked him already but I'm a bigger fan now. He captures the wholesome boy scout quite well without taking it to Christopher Reeve levels. He's somewhere between Reeve and Dean Cain, who's probably my favorite version of Clark Kent to date. I also liked how Clark reacted to Jimmy's relationship with Kara and that Jimmy was even comfortable enough to talk to Clark about it to begin with. I spent a lot of season 1 wondering what this unseen and intimidating hulk of a Superman would do to Jimmy if he found out what Jimmy was up to with his cousin.

There are other villains we can't rule out in Superman's past, like Brainiac or Darkseid or Intergang or Parasite or Mxyzptlk or, I dunno, Titano.

When Clark asked if Kara examined Mon-El for a cybernetic data core, I thought of Braniac.

I wonder why people even try shooting at Superman or Supergirl in the first place.

Superman and Supergirl should be afraid of bullets. You never know when one could be laced with kryptonite.

 

[dahj]

And that she's not portrayed as just another person in a superhero costume with a different collection of powers, who's no stronger in battle than a Firestorm or Flash.

To be fair, both of those guys should be more useful themselves.
Especially Flash, who should be able to take out entire armies before anyone blinks, kinda like in the Legends S2 premier when

Spoiler: Legends spoiler

Reverse Flash took out an entire submarine in a second.

 

[DigificWriter]

Barry clearly holds himself back intentionally in terms of the way he uses his powers because of who he is as a person, and up to now, Kara has still been trying to figure out what she can and should do with the power she has, so it doesn't bother me that the writers underplay the characters' abilities because it makes sense for the characters in-universe in terms of their personalities.

With Firestorm, they obviously don't want any one member of the Legends to outshine the others, but there's also the excuse that Jax and Stein had been in a bit of a 'feeling out' process trying to acclimate themselves to working as partners in-universe, at least during Season 1.

 

[Christopher]

Supergirl is a spinoff of a Superman series that never existed. I don't remember who said that but it works.

That was me, although I wouldn't be surprised if others have said it too.

Speaking of Hoechlin, I watched 2x01 again and I like his version of Superman a little more. I liked him already but I'm a bigger fan now. He captures the wholesome boy scout quite well without taking it to Christopher Reeve levels. He's somewhere between Reeve and Dean Cain, who's probably my favorite version of Clark Kent to date.

I read that he did model it on Cain somewhat, I think. Although I was never crazy about Cain's performance style. I think I do prefer Hoechlin's style to Cain's and certainly to Welling's. He's a good fit to the tone of Supergirl, anyway.

Superman and Supergirl should be afraid of bullets. You never know when one could be laced with kryptonite.

That doesn't seem to be widespread outside the DEO. Fort Rozz had been on Earth for a dozen years, but Astra had never encountered it before "Hank" stabbed her with a kryptonite dagger. And Kara, who presumably has stayed abreast of her cousin's exploits, had never heard of it until she went to work with the DEO. So this isn't one of those continuities where practically every two-bit crook has access to kryptonite.

 

[dahj]

With Firestorm, they obviously don't want any one member of the Legends to outshine the others, but there's also the excuse that Jax and Stein had been in a bit of a 'feeling out' process trying to acclimate themselves to working as partners in-universe, at least during Season 1.

True, and since in-universe they've been at it for a while now, this season Firestorm should kick an appropriate amount of ass. Also, hopefully they'll have fewer episodes where they go do something and Stein and Jax go to different places to do different things.

 

[Snaploud]

Superman and Supergirl should be afraid of bullets. You never know when one could be laced with kryptonite.

Superman probably has enough experience to use his x-ray vision to check for Kryptonite before entering the area.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Superman probably has enough experience to use his x-ray vision to check for Kryptonite before entering the area.

Until an episode calls for him to get shot with one.

 

[Snaploud]

Until an episode calls for him to get shot with one.

Hopefully it will happen to Supergirl and we can justify it based upon her lack of experience. Though, Superman really should have given her some training after she decided to take up the mantle.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Kara must has been through health and safety training for yellow sun planets, back when Kryptonians were universal tourists.

 

[urbandefault]

A Kryptonian wouldn't be able to detect a Kryptonite bullet if it were encased in lead. A properly constructed projectile would fragment on impact, letting the K break free and penetrate the super skin.