Paris and Torres?

[Papermoon]

Ok, so I love it when they are together, but when did she stop having the hots for Chakotay and did it feel like to anyone else that it came out of left field?

I know that episode where she gets cold and he looks after her is cute, but I wasn't convinced there was a spark there. Like I said once they actually get together it's fine but I just didn't get it beforehand...

 

[stardream]

B'Elanna didn't have a crush on Chakotay. Those visions sent by the alien wasn't about desires and crushes. It was about their 'needs'. There is a difference. Kes didn't have a secret desire to see Tom in pain, her need was to be needed. Tom's need was to stand up to his father. B'Elanna had been abandoned by her father and estranged from her mother. Her need was to love and be loved and Chakotay happened to be the only person on Voyager with whom she had any kind of emotional connection. He was just a stand-in or an avatar. If he wasn't around she could just as easily have seen Harry. This is straight from Roxanne Dawson btw.

The writers actually started to put Tom and B'Elanna together way back in The Swarm during that one scene where he asked her out. They just took their time with it.

 

[Tracy Trek]

Also I think she started seeing behind his masks in the episode Faces. He looked after her human self while they were in the Viidian prison camp.

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

Even if Torres & Paris wasn't my natural choice of pairing (mine was Janeway/Paris but it never happened, ), I confess that they made a sweet one and more important, each other grew up through this relationship. It would have be great if witers have slightly accelerated the rhythm of their romance in order to see Miral's birth takes place in the beginning of s7 and not in the last minutes of the finale, as we had.
Bah, "avec des si, on pourrait mettre Paris en bouteille"!

 

[2takesfrakes]

It took a Near Death Experience they both shared, for B'Elanna to finally reveal her innermost feelings for Tom, in true Space Opera fashion. She was so madly in love with him, already, she could barely stand it ... and that's the kind of relationship I like to see on STAR TREK.

 

[Thomas Eugene]

Even if Torres & Paris wasn't my natural choice of pairing (mine was Janeway/Paris but it never happened, ), I confess that they made a sweet one and more important, each other grew up through this relationship. It would have be great if witers have slightly accelerated the rhythm of their romance in order to see Miral's birth takes place in the beginning of s7 and not in the last minutes of the finale, as we had.
Bah, "avec des si, on pourrait mettre Paris en bouteille"!

With that French quotation, do you mean the French capital or Tommyboy from VOY?

 

[2takesfrakes]

Ghislaine classes up these boards.

 

[Sophie74656]

Even if she did have a crush on Chakotay, her relationship with Tom came about slowly and you could see the progression of it. I think it was well done and realistic in that sense. But I'm a bit biased

 

[stardream]

I know it's completely subjective but I could see chemistry, or what I believed to be chemistry, between the two actors in Faces and Twisted and then again in Dreadnought. It made complete sense to me to put them together.

There was a brief window when we thought they might put B'Elanna together with Harry but that didn't last long. One of the books in the numbered series (can't remember the title) is set early on in the mission where Tom and Harry go missing and B'Elanna is so upset and intent on finding HARRY. It's a bit funny now when I re-read it.

 

[Tracy Trek]

There was a brief window when we thought they might put B'Elanna together with Harry but that didn't last long. One of the books in the numbered series (can't remember the title) is set early on in the mission where Tom and Harry go missing and B'Elanna is so upset and intent on finding HARRY. It's a bit funny now when I re-read it.

In like the first couple of episodes I thought they might try to pair her up with Harry. That feeling didn't last long. I think Harry was a little afraid of her when she started going off on her rants. She needed someone who would stand up to her and was satisfied with her just the way she was. And that was Tom. I liked your theory about that early abberation of a fantasy about Chakotay.

Was that book you mentioned part of the Fury series? But that wouldn't be one of the numbered novels would it? It's one I can think of where the 2 of them go missing together. If it was an early novel and set really early in the series, well Harry was her friend and she wasn't a big fan of Tom at first.

 

[stardream]

In like the first couple of episodes I thought they might try to pair her up with Harry. That feeling didn't last long. I think Harry was a little afraid of her when she started going off on her rants. She needed someone who would stand up to her and was satisfied with her just the way she was. And that was Tom. I liked your theory about that early aberration of a fantasy about Chakotay.

Was that book you mentioned part of the Fury series? But that wouldn't be one of the numbered novels, would it? It's one I can think of where the 2 of them go missing together. If it was an early novel and set really early in the series, well Harry was her friend and she wasn't a big fan of Tom at first.

The theory belongs to Roxanne Dawson and she was the type of actress who spent time thinking about and discussing her character's motives. I just spread the word and when you compare it to what everyone else 'saw' it fits.

The book was the one where they were on a planet and the people were harvesting sea creature for medicinal purposes. I think the sea creatures turned out to be sentient or something. Anyway, Harry and Tom get captured by pirates, adventures ensues. It's not a bad story except for B'Elanna going 'We have to find Harry! all the time. It probably was set very early in the series.

 

[Tracy Trek]

I don't recall that novel at all. I'm not a fan of the earlier novels. I think they seem, for lack of a better word, cliched. It almost seems like some of them were written (just not released) before the series even aired. The first novel I really liked was Marooned. Despite being mostly about Kes, it does have a fairly good story for Paris and Torres. And it's an example of something you can write about that wouldn't work for filming.

I actually recall a novel that was so early in the series that Seska was still part of the main crew. Probably the first one published after Caretaker.

 

[stardream]

I don't recall that novel at all. I'm not a fan of the earlier novels. I think they seem, for lack of a better word, cliched. It almost seems like some of them were written (just not released) before the series even aired. The first novel I really liked was Marooned. Despite being mostly about Kes, it does have a fairly good story for Paris and Torres. And it's an example of something you can write about that wouldn't work for filming.

I actually recall a novel that was so early in the series that Seska was still part of the main crew. Probably the first one published after Caretaker.

Yes, all of those early books had maybe three plot points. They find a planet, it looks nice but it turns out to be evil. Tom gets involved with an alien woman and Kes does something mystical. Marooned, the Murdered Sun, and Echoes were ok. Greg Cox's story The Black Shore was very well written but I prefer his TOS books.

 

[Sophie74656]

The theory belongs to Roxanne Dawson and she was the type of actress who spent time thinking about and discussing her character's motives. I just spread the word and when you compare it to what everyone else 'saw' it fits.

The book was the one where they were on a planet and the people were harvesting sea creature for medicinal purposes. I think the sea creatures turned out to be sentient or something. Anyway, Harry and Tom get captured by pirates, adventures ensues. It's not a bad story except for B'Elanna going 'We have to find Harry! all the time. It probably was set very early in the series.

I think that's one of the reasons I love B'Elann so much. She may not have had a lot of screen time or the best stories but the work that Roxann Dawson put into her made her great

 

[Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME]

With that French quotation, do you mean the French capital or Tommyboy from VOY?

The French capital, of course and this is the proof!

 

[Tracy Trek]

One of the books in the numbered series (can't remember the title) is set early on in the mission where Tom and Harry go missing and B'Elanna is so upset and intent on finding HARRY. It's a bit funny now when I re-read it.

I was looking at some of the book descriptions on the Wikipedia article for Voyager novels and they have one called Bless the Beasts which has a plot point of Tom and Harry going missing on an away mission. But the article says it's set during the third season, so it doesn't seem in character for her to only be worried about Harry that far into their journey.

 

[Sophie74656]

I was looking at some of the book descriptions on the Wikipedia article for Voyager novels and they have one called Bless the Beasts which has a plot point of Tom and Harry going missing on an away mission. But the article says it's set during the third season, so it doesn't seem in character for her to only be worried about Harry that far into their journey.

It's possible that while it was set durring the 3rd season it was written well before then before relationships were planned.

The 2nd book, I think it is called The Escape, is one of my favorites despite the fact that since it was written so early some of the characters' behaviors seem off.

 

[exocomp]

Even if Torres & Paris wasn't my natural choice of pairing (mine was Janeway/Paris but it never happened, ), I confess that they made a sweet one and more important, each other grew up through this relationship. It would have be great if witers have slightly accelerated the rhythm of their romance in order to see Miral's birth takes place in the beginning of s7 and not in the last minutes of the finale, as we had.
Bah, "avec des si, on pourrait mettre Paris en bouteille"!

It did happen. They had three lizards together, remember?

 

[stardream]

It's possible that while it was set durring the 3rd season it was written well before then before relationships were planned.
The 2nd book, I think it is called The Escape, is one of my favorites despite the fact that since it was written so early some of the characters' behaviors seem off.

I liked the basic story of The Escape although it got bogged down with some of the rules of time traveling but I agree, the characters weren't developed yet.

I was looking at some of the book descriptions on the Wikipedia article for Voyager novels and they have one called Bless the Beasts which has a plot point of Tom and Harry going missing on an away mission. But the article says it's set during the third season, so it doesn't seem in character for her to only be worried about Harry that far into their journey.

That's the one. I have been told that the first 12 books of the numbered series were contracted before the series even began so maybe that's why the timing is off.

 

[exocomp]

Ghislaine classes up these boards.

Indeed, and unlike Picard she's not just pretending to be French. They should have put Depardieu as Picard...