Event alluded to by Bryan Fuller.

[Brainsucker]

"hate" is definitely too strong a word, but it's likely that there will be some criticism.

Well, I say "hate" because of self experience. So forgive me guys for that harsh language. My hate goes to Time Line. A novel written by Michael Crichton. Because I like the novel too much, when I watch the movie, I compare both work in order to see the detail in live action show. But, I was sooooo disappointed that the movie didn't give me what I want, so I dislike it to an extend of hate.

I have another exact experience with the other novel, manga, anime, and movie. And even Star Trek. When I was young, I watch both TOS and TNG for the first time, and I compare both shows in term of technology, background, setting, etc. I was so disappointed because they were different. I was lucky that I chose TNG. Make me capable to enjoy the show even now.

So now I do a self reflection. I understand that whatever I do, I won't be able to get what I want. Unless of course, I make the movie myself. Which is, impossible. That's why I decide that I have to choose. Which work that I want to embrace. If I prefer the book, then I won't poison myself with the movie, but if I enjoy the movie, then I should forget the novel / manga / book. This way, I can enjoy the show to the fullest extend.

That's why, I can say that if we compare TOS and Discovery too much, it will poison ourselves. Thus we won't be able to enjoy newly produced Star Trek anymore. If that happen, it is us who is losing. Because we will hate Star Trek in the end.

Just consider that TOS and Discovery are two separate work of art. And just enjoy them without regard the other. Believe me, you will be surprise that you will love Star Trek again. Well, unless Discovery is ugly in term of quality and story.

 

[locutus101]

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Just consider that TOS and Discovery are two separate work of art. And just enjoy them without regard the other. Believe me, you will be surprise that you will love Star Trek again. Well, unless Discovery is ugly in term of quality and story.

I think it would bewise indeed. I myself am prepared to consider Discovery as a separate work from the rest and only judge its quality as a standalone product.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

Also, from a business standpoint, TV Trek died in 2004. The Bermanverse started to show fatigue by the time Voyager came along, and Voyager failed to capitalize on its own premise much less go beyond the groundwork laid by TNG and DS9, and the less said about the effectiveness of ENT the better.

Interestingly, Berman fought against Voyager or any new show at that time as he wanted DS9 to have some time to grow as the only Trek. The Studio overrode him citing dwindling ratings, and we ended up getting some great DS9 arcs because no one was paying attention to them, and we got repetitive, uneven and overly safe Voyager episodes because too many people had their fingers in that pie in an ill-conceived attempt to recreate the success of TNG.

We fans will always love those shows to varying degrees, but from a business perspective it really doesn't make sense to tie it to anything that's come before beyond "easter eggs" nostalgia (This includes the "Event alluded to.."). It's an unnecessary risk in today's market. TOS was 50 years ago and most younger viewers see the nuTrek films as TOS now anyway. Discovery needs to develop a new TV universe with as few callbacks as possible to avoid serving the past instead of the future.

Everything hinges on how well they flesh out the new universe and develop new characters/species. If this doesn't go well, they'll have no choice but to return to the well and try to keep it alive bringing back every popular TOS and TNG era trope, which might lead to a short life span overall.

 

[Eric Cheung]

The quickly removed production design drawings referred to a

Spoiler: unique ship design

Klingon sarcophagus ship.

Perhaps the Klingon mummification glyph referenced in Star Trek IV has something to do with Star Trek: Discovery.

 

[Philip Guyott]

The quickly removed production design drawings referred to a

Spoiler: unique ship design

Klingon sarcophagus ship.

Perhaps the Klingon mummification glyph referenced in Star Trek IV has something to do with Star Trek: Discovery.

Perhaps the ship contains the mummified remains of the Klingon warrior Molor who was killed by Kahless. The head was later stolen and put it on display on Maranga IV.

 

[Solid Snack]

I'm not sure if anybody's brought this up yet, but could this be Captain Pike's accident? Although I suppose it's too early for that.

 

[In Thy Image]

I'm not sure if anybody's brought this up yet, but could this be Captain Pike's accident? Although I suppose it's too early for that.

I believe it was mentioned Pike's accident was a recent incident during The Menagerie. I was thinking the Battle of Donatu V. It was an inconclusive battle with the Klingons that we don't know much about, and seems to fit the bill. However Fuller said fans will certainly know about the event and be happy when they hear what it is. I don't think Donatu V would provoke such strong feelings.

 

[Kemaiku]

I'm not sure if anybody's brought this up yet, but could this be Captain Pike's accident? Although I suppose it's too early for that.

Pike was hit with delta radiation on a training ship full of cadets, sometime a few weeks before The Menagerie, into the 5 year mission. So about 2266 or 2267, over ten years after Discovery.

 

[mattman8907]

I am literally at a loss about what this "Event" could be. All my theories were shot down.

 

[Kemaiku]

There are too many mentioned in dialogue to know which one, waiting for the synopsis of the pilot around March or April next year is the only thing to do now.

 

[DaveSumm]

Apologies if this has been floated before, I haven't read all 18 pages........a quote they decided to stick on the side of a board game, of all places, gave me an idea for this.

Commander Tebok in TNG S1E25, The Neutral Zone
"Captain Picard, because your actions are those of a thoughtful man, I will tell you this. Matters more urgent caused our absence... now witness the result. Outposts destroyed. Expansion of the Federation everywhere. Yes, we have indeed been negligent, but no longer".

Nobody seems to have a decent explanation for what these matters were exactly, which got me thinking, I'm wondering if the series might explore these 'matters more urgent'. It'd explain Fuller's response when asked if it was about the Romulan War ("No, close") and also why no one's come up with a convincing event from around the period, as it's so vague and could span such a long time. What I'm picturing is something like this; during the war with the Federation, the Romulans face a new threat on the opposite side of their territory. They can't fight a war on two fronts, and so they sign a peace treaty with the Federation and establish the Neutral Zone. Section 31 discover this, and realise that it's in their interest to inflame this other war (or possibly just discover more about it). They send the USS Discovery on what is, the story goes, a standard exploration mission on a long arc round the back of Romulan space. Unofficially, Section 31 has placed a spy on board who is to act as lieutenant commander until they reach a certain point, when she is to reveal the true nature of their mission and possibly take over as Captain.

It would explain why we only know her as Number One (possibly a code name) until the end of the series when her true name is revealed. It would explain why our 'main character' isn't the captain. It would neatly provide a season long arc, while also leave the door open to regular Star Trek stories as they're ultimately exploring unknown space still (a common complaint of TOS and TNG, that they rarely seemed to be too far into truly unknown territory). It explains the connection to the Romulan War without actually being about that war. Fuller also mentioned that Balance of Terror was a 'touchstone' episode for the series, it could be fun to reframe those events in light of Discovery; perhaps Mark Lenard's Romulan Commander learns of the Federation's true underhanded nature and spends 10 years trying to convince the empire that they're ignoring the real threat (fearing the same results as Tebok discovers in the above quote), and then eventually goes rogue and destroys some bases along the Neutral Zone.

The only problem I can see are that it stretches the definition of 'event' quite far......this other war would have to stretch from the end of the original Federation / Romulan war, right up to pretty much Tebok's conversation with Picard. Additionally, you're left with the same problem that Enterprise would've had, had it run up to the Romulan war; nobody can see a Romulan, according to Kirk. But being a covert mission leaves ample room to explain that away, I suspect.

It ticks a lot of boxes for me, be good to hear others thoughts.

 

[LtChange]

I'm re-watching DS9 right now and in the episode Homefront we have the bombing at the Earth-Romulan conference. Sisko tells at the beginning of the episode that no such act has been committed on Earth in over 100 years. Can it be that this is what Bryan Fuller is alluding to? The series will begin with some kind of a terrorist attack on Earth some sort of a bombing?

 

[Philip Guyott]

I'm re-watching DS9 right now and in the episode Homefront we have the bombing at the Earth-Romulan conference. Sisko tells at the beginning of the episode that no such act has been committed on Earth in over 100 years. Can it be that this is what Bryan Fuller is alluding to? The series will begin with some kind of a terrorist attack on Earth some sort of a bombing?

Interesting idea. There is a time difference of 117 years between STD (2255) and DS9 season four (2372)

 

[Kemaiku]

Or the Embassary bombings committed by Terra Prime in 2154, I doubt Paxton's rhetoric stirring people up ended with his death.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Apologies if this has been floated before, I haven't read all 18 pages........a quote they decided to stick on the side of a board game, of all places, gave me an idea for this.

Commander Tebok in TNG S1E25, The Neutral Zone
"Captain Picard, because your actions are those of a thoughtful man, I will tell you this. Matters more urgent caused our absence... now witness the result. Outposts destroyed. Expansion of the Federation everywhere. Yes, we have indeed been negligent, but no longer".

Nobody seems to have a decent explanation for what these matters were exactly, which got me thinking, I'm wondering if the series might explore these 'matters more urgent'. It'd explain Fuller's response when asked if it was about the Romulan War ("No, close") and also why no one's come up with a convincing event from around the period, as it's so vague and could span such a long time. What I'm picturing is something like this; during the war with the Federation, the Romulans face a new threat on the opposite side of their territory. They can't fight a war on two fronts, and so they sign a peace treaty with the Federation and establish the Neutral Zone. Section 31 discover this, and realise that it's in their interest to inflame this other war (or possibly just discover more about it). They send the USS Discovery on what is, the story goes, a standard exploration mission on a long arc round the back of Romulan space. Unofficially, Section 31 has placed a spy on board who is to act as lieutenant commander until they reach a certain point, when she is to reveal the true nature of their mission and possibly take over as Captain.

It would explain why we only know her as Number One (possibly a code name) until the end of the series when her true name is revealed. It would explain why our 'main character' isn't the captain. It would neatly provide a season long arc, while also leave the door open to regular Star Trek stories as they're ultimately exploring unknown space still (a common complaint of TOS and TNG, that they rarely seemed to be too far into truly unknown territory). It explains the connection to the Romulan War without actually being about that war. Fuller also mentioned that Balance of Terror was a 'touchstone' episode for the series, it could be fun to reframe those events in light of Discovery; perhaps Mark Lenard's Romulan Commander learns of the Federation's true underhanded nature and spends 10 years trying to convince the empire that they're ignoring the real threat (fearing the same results as Tebok discovers in the above quote), and then eventually goes rogue and destroys some bases along the Neutral Zone.

The only problem I can see are that it stretches the definition of 'event' quite far......this other war would have to stretch from the end of the original Federation / Romulan war, right up to pretty much Tebok's conversation with Picard. Additionally, you're left with the same problem that Enterprise would've had, had it run up to the Romulan war; nobody can see a Romulan, according to Kirk. But being a covert mission leaves ample room to explain that away, I suspect.

It ticks a lot of boxes for me, be good to hear others thoughts.

That event takes place between TOS and TNG. DSC takes place before TOS.

 

[DaveSumm]

That event takes place between TOS and TNG. DSC takes place before TOS.

Well it takes place (if it turns out to be correct) between the Romulan War and TNG. See last paragraph.

 

[Kemaiku]

His remarks about destroyed Outposts was meant to be a foreshadowing of the Borg, testing defences since Romulans are between them and the Federation.

As for an older conflict, the Tomed Incident of 2311 is mentioned later to try and explain it, then the Treaty of Algeron that 'redefined' the Neutral Zone and outlawed Federation cloaks that followed.

 

[Shalashaska]

TOS was 50 years ago and most younger viewers see the nuTrek films as TOS now anyway.

I don't think that's accurate. Younger viewers who have only seen the reboot films probably stopped thinking about them after a day and moved on. The new movies aren't the kind of things you build a cult audience around that speculate and theorize about all the little details, they're just fun popcorn at the movies.

Younger viewers who liked the movies probably would've went back and watched TOS and the other shows (proof: me). The new movies are well-made reboots but they don't replace the old show and its movies. Nobody holds Chris Pine as their inspiration as many did with Shatner Kirk.

TNG kids largely seem to dislike the new films, if that's who you mean by "younger".

 

[Kemaiku]

TNG kid, love the new movies far more than that series.

 

[DaveSumm]

His remarks about destroyed Outposts was meant to be a foreshadowing of the Borg, testing defences since Romulans are between them and the Federation.

As for an older conflict, the Tomed Incident of 2311 is mentioned later to try and explain it, then the Treaty of Algeron that 'redefined' the Neutral Zone and outlawed Federation cloaks that followed.

When you say 'it', what do you mean exactly? I'm not sure to what extent you were responding to my theory, but anyway......the Borg can't be the "matters more urgent" as Tebok distinquishes between the two (matters more urgent caused our absence, now witness the result ... outposts destroyed). I've had a thorough google and can't find anything solid for what these matters were. It can't be the Tomed incident itself, as that involves the Federation and wouldn't really be an absence.